Another Tunisian Attack - Sousse
Discussion
TTwiggy said:
Maybe while he's busy backpeddling he could apologise for editing my post. Because to the casual browser, who maybe doesn't know what 'FTFY' means, it might look like I said something pretty crass.
Why this site allows users to edit other users' posts is beyond me.
OK, these kinds of edit have always occurred on PH but maybe that could have led to misunderstanding in this case!Why this site allows users to edit other users' posts is beyond me.
I have modified my original edit to avoid any chance that you may have been credited with my thoughts!
OK?
(no backpedaling intended on the original statement, which I still stand by!)
The workers defending their domain does not surprise me in the least after spending some considerable time in Tunisia and in the company of Tunisian migrants to the UK.
In El Kef during the early stages of Arab Spring, locals would muster with a varied armoury of machetes and baseball bats to protect their neighbours and local business owners property from marauding, armed youths from other towns.
By and large Tunisians are good people with a strong sense of community. My best guess is they understood that he was only killing westerners and thought they could make a difference. Brave folks IMHO.
In El Kef during the early stages of Arab Spring, locals would muster with a varied armoury of machetes and baseball bats to protect their neighbours and local business owners property from marauding, armed youths from other towns.
By and large Tunisians are good people with a strong sense of community. My best guess is they understood that he was only killing westerners and thought they could make a difference. Brave folks IMHO.
blindswelledrat said:
Yes, you've said it three times now and it remains moronic and uncharitable in the extreme.
We get it, Poledriver, you can never see anything a muslim does in a positive light because if it looks good there must be an ulterior motive.
Its an easy concept to grasp so it doesn't need the repetition as we all understand what you are saying, we just think it is stupid and unpleasant.
That is rather stretching it.We get it, Poledriver, you can never see anything a muslim does in a positive light because if it looks good there must be an ulterior motive.
Its an easy concept to grasp so it doesn't need the repetition as we all understand what you are saying, we just think it is stupid and unpleasant.
PoleDriver said:
As I have stated before, my OH works for the Home Office. She is party to the incessant stream of lies and deceit which these people will use to try and get what they want! Please excuse me if I don't believe everything that the media pushes our way!
What the f
k has a lying illegal immigrant got to do with several heroic lowly hotel workers risking their lives to save others? How does your mind even work when you think that your wifes-job-anecdote is a relevant comment to this?Horrible thick racist moron.
blindswelledrat said:
What the fk has a lying illegal immigrant got to do with several heroic lowly hotel workers risking their lives to save others? How does your mind even work when you think that your wifes-job-anecdote is a relevant comment to this?
Horrible thick racist moron.
You are, as always, welcome to voice your opinion, and you do like to express it!k has a lying illegal immigrant got to do with several heroic lowly hotel workers risking their lives to save others? How does your mind even work when you think that your wifes-job-anecdote is a relevant comment to this?Horrible thick racist moron.
I, too, am allowed to express my opinion and will continue to do so!
I do, however, take extreme offense at the 'racist' allegation! You do not know me, if you did you would also know that remark to be untrue!
OpulentBob said:
Yes, but that happened 400 years ago, and the only people still holding on to that fight are a handful of idiots across the Irish Sea - who are just as backwards and brainwashed as the ISIS lot. We've managed to get rid of that somewhat retarded point of view as the older generation(s) has died out, and in another generation or so will hopefully be all but a memory.
A LOT has changed since then, the world has got smaller, we have discovered it's no longer flat, there is no man with a beard on a cloud, or an elephant-headed chappie with 4 arms, you know, basic stuff like that. What was acceptable 2000 years ago (Christians to the lions, then the Christian crusades etc) is quite obviously nothing to be held up as some sort of jutifiable beacon, yet the same old tripe gets trotted out every time someone wants to deflect attention or blame.
Why divert the attention from the idiots who, in the name of Islam (as that is what they have admitted), go around killing innocent people on a beach just because they are white and western?
I say that as a non-religious guy working in a non-christian country with an office full of non-christian colleagues and friends. I mentioned these killings yesterday and the only person willing to put forward an opinion was a Hindu. All the muslim guys just put their heads down and didn't say a word - and it's not like I never speak to them, they're all what I consider mates, we see each other on weekends, I see their families, their kids etc. But not a single one would say anything against the attacks - maybe it was peer pressure, I don't know. But it was a bit disappointing, really.
Indeed - and the Irish tards who bombed, maimed and killed their way across the UK in the name of 'whatever' may have precisely the same screwed up sense of perverted ideology 'in the name of religion' which in their bonkers mindset engenders 'righteousness' as do the Shiits and Scuunts.A LOT has changed since then, the world has got smaller, we have discovered it's no longer flat, there is no man with a beard on a cloud, or an elephant-headed chappie with 4 arms, you know, basic stuff like that. What was acceptable 2000 years ago (Christians to the lions, then the Christian crusades etc) is quite obviously nothing to be held up as some sort of jutifiable beacon, yet the same old tripe gets trotted out every time someone wants to deflect attention or blame.
Why divert the attention from the idiots who, in the name of Islam (as that is what they have admitted), go around killing innocent people on a beach just because they are white and western?
I say that as a non-religious guy working in a non-christian country with an office full of non-christian colleagues and friends. I mentioned these killings yesterday and the only person willing to put forward an opinion was a Hindu. All the muslim guys just put their heads down and didn't say a word - and it's not like I never speak to them, they're all what I consider mates, we see each other on weekends, I see their families, their kids etc. But not a single one would say anything against the attacks - maybe it was peer pressure, I don't know. But it was a bit disappointing, really.
I may be wrong - but I am lead to believe that there may have been no cruise missiles launched at Dublin or Belfast.
PoleDriver said:
You are, as always, welcome to voice your opinion, and you do like to express it!
I, too, am allowed to express my opinion and will continue to do so!
I do, however, take extreme offense at the 'racist' allegation! You do not know me, if you did you would also know that remark to be untrue!
Is that because you've got a black friend by any chance?I, too, am allowed to express my opinion and will continue to do so!
I do, however, take extreme offense at the 'racist' allegation! You do not know me, if you did you would also know that remark to be untrue!
You can take offense all you like, but I am making the observations on what you've said.
If you want me to be clearer Ill detail why I think you are racist:
1)You don't believe a muslim can do something commendable without an ulterior motive
2)You think that an illegal immigrant is the same as 'all muslims everywhere'. You don't even feel the need to differentiate the nationalities of the illegal immigrants.
SO feel free to keep expressing your unpleasant opinions , and I will feel free to express how stupid and racist they are.
ETA: I realise I am expressing my opinions a little animatedly but in all the wretched threads in NP&E this is the worst I can remember seeing and I am genuinely disgusted at what I have seen here, from you as well as others. Normally I don't let the internet do that to me but it's made a little bit of me die inside to read this.
Edited by blindswelledrat on Tuesday 30th June 11:36
Oakey said:
TTwiggy said:
NotOakey said:
TTwiggy said:
Why this site allows users to edit other users' posts is beyond me.
It really does allow people to edit other peoples posts, doesn't it?If your wrote a 1000 word opinion piece for a newspaper, and the sub-editor had to cut it down to 800 and change a couple of facts in order to avoid legal issues, would they 'just be typing words' or would they be editing what you said?
TTwiggy said:
Well, with all due respect, after nearly 20 years of working in print media, I feel qualified to call that editing.
If your wrote a 1000 word opinion piece for a newspaper, and the sub-editor had to cut it down to 800 and change a couple of facts in order to avoid legal issues. Would they 'just be typing words' or would they be editing what you said?
You said;If your wrote a 1000 word opinion piece for a newspaper, and the sub-editor had to cut it down to 800 and change a couple of facts in order to avoid legal issues. Would they 'just be typing words' or would they be editing what you said?
"Why this site allows users to edit other users' posts is beyond me."
As if there's some deliberate built in function that allows you to edit other peoples posts. There isn't. There's an ability to post words, along with the use of certain code, one of which is being able to attribute quotes. This is hardly 'allowing users to edit other users posts', is it?
How do you propose the mods could prevent this without stopping people being able to post completely?
It is somewhat amusing to hear a journalist whining about being misquoted though
blindswelledrat said:
Is that because you've got a black friend by any chance?
You can take offense all you like, but I am making the observations on what you've said.
If you want me to be clearer Ill detail why I think you are racist:
1)You don't believe a muslim can do something commendable without an ulterior motive
2)You think that an illegal immigrant is the same as 'all muslims everywhere'. You don't even feel the need to differentiate the nationalities of the illegal immigrants.
SO feel free to keep expressing your unpleasant opinions , and I will feel free to express how stupid and racist they are.
ETA: I realise I am expressing my opinions a little animatedly but in all the wretched threads in NP&E this is the worst I can remember seeing and I am genuinely disgusted at what I have seen here, from you as well as others. Normally I don't let the internet do that to me but it's made a little bit of me die inside to read this.
We all need to cal down down a bit, it's a forum You can take offense all you like, but I am making the observations on what you've said.
If you want me to be clearer Ill detail why I think you are racist:
1)You don't believe a muslim can do something commendable without an ulterior motive
2)You think that an illegal immigrant is the same as 'all muslims everywhere'. You don't even feel the need to differentiate the nationalities of the illegal immigrants.
SO feel free to keep expressing your unpleasant opinions , and I will feel free to express how stupid and racist they are.
ETA: I realise I am expressing my opinions a little animatedly but in all the wretched threads in NP&E this is the worst I can remember seeing and I am genuinely disgusted at what I have seen here, from you as well as others. Normally I don't let the internet do that to me but it's made a little bit of me die inside to read this.
Oakey said:
You said;
"Why this site allows users to edit other users' posts is beyond me."
As if there's some deliberate built in function that allows you to edit other peoples posts. There isn't. There's an ability to post words, along with the use of certain code, one of which is being able to attribute quotes. This is hardly 'allowing users to edit other users posts', is it?
How do you propose the mods could prevent this without stopping people being able to post completely?
It is somewhat amusing to hear a journalist whining about being misquoted though
I made no suggestion that it was deliberate, but while I'm no expert in coding or any other aspect of IT, I imagine it must be possible to 'lock' what someone else has said so that their posts may still be re-quoted, but left unchanged."Why this site allows users to edit other users' posts is beyond me."
As if there's some deliberate built in function that allows you to edit other peoples posts. There isn't. There's an ability to post words, along with the use of certain code, one of which is being able to attribute quotes. This is hardly 'allowing users to edit other users posts', is it?
How do you propose the mods could prevent this without stopping people being able to post completely?
It is somewhat amusing to hear a journalist whining about being misquoted though
I only brought this up as, thanks to Poledriver's editing of my post, it could look like I was the one cynically accusing the hotel workers of only caring about their jobs. I really don't care if someone thinks it's amusing to alter a word or two in a post for a laugh, but when things get re-quoted and the (un)original mis-quote remains, someone who didn't see the first edit could easily get the wrong idea.
TTwiggy said:
I made no suggestion that it was deliberate, but while I'm no expert in coding or any other aspect of IT, I imagine it must be possible to 'lock' what someone else has said so that their posts may still be re-quoted, but left unchanged.
I only brought this up as, thanks to Poledriver's editing of my post, it could look like I was the one cynically accusing the hotel workers of only caring about their jobs. I really don't care if someone thinks it's amusing to alter a word or two in a post for a laugh, but when things get re-quoted and the (un)original mis-quote remains, someone who didn't see the first edit could easily get the wrong idea.
I agree, I don't usually edit peoples posts unless it's a jokey sort of thread as it's not really the done thing.I only brought this up as, thanks to Poledriver's editing of my post, it could look like I was the one cynically accusing the hotel workers of only caring about their jobs. I really don't care if someone thinks it's amusing to alter a word or two in a post for a laugh, but when things get re-quoted and the (un)original mis-quote remains, someone who didn't see the first edit could easily get the wrong idea.
But, I don't think there's any way to 'lock' it, quotes appear as plain text in the message box and are editable by the user and even if they did (somehow) lock them people can still use the 'quote' function manually;
Lance Armstrong said:
It's one small step for man...
Oh dear, here we go...
Just to ensure that nobody is confused. BSR's original post is up there ^^^^^ in its entirety. I am editing here in order to answer his points! (I have also italicised his words for clarity)
Just to ensure that nobody is confused. BSR's original post is up there ^^^^^ in its entirety. I am editing here in order to answer his points! (I have also italicised his words for clarity)
blindswelledrat said:
Is that because you've got a black friend by any chance?
Yes, and it is just by chance, I didn't pick them as friends because they are black/brown/yellow but because we had interests in common and decided we quite liked each other's company!blindswelledrat said:
If you want me to be clearer Ill detail why I think you are racist:
1)You don't believe a muslim can do something commendable without an ulterior motive.
2)You think that an illegal immigrant is the same as 'all muslims everywhere'. You don't even feel the need to differentiate the nationalities of the illegal immigrants.
What I may not have made clear in the original post of a few days ago is that this was just referring to the muslims she had encountered. I did not include nationalities as that was not irrelevant, as we all know that muslims are not of a specific nationality! Had I aimed my remark at a particular race/nationality that would have been racist, but that is not where I am coming from.1)You don't believe a muslim can do something commendable without an ulterior motive.
2)You think that an illegal immigrant is the same as 'all muslims everywhere'. You don't even feel the need to differentiate the nationalities of the illegal immigrants.
blindswelledrat said:
SO feel free to keep expressing your unpleasant opinions , and I will feel free to express how stupid and racist they are.
ETA: I realise I am expressing my opinions a little animatedly but in all the wretched threads in NP&E this is the worst I can remember seeing and I am genuinely disgusted at what I have seen here, from you as well as others. Normally I don't let the internet do that to me but it's made a little bit of me die inside to read this.
Calm down dear, it's only the internet! And I, for one, would (honestly) miss your posts on here should you end up with heart failure due to rising to the bait offered on here! ETA: I realise I am expressing my opinions a little animatedly but in all the wretched threads in NP&E this is the worst I can remember seeing and I am genuinely disgusted at what I have seen here, from you as well as others. Normally I don't let the internet do that to me but it's made a little bit of me die inside to read this.
blindswelledrat said:
ETA: I realise I am expressing my opinions a little animatedly but in all the wretched threads in NP&E this is the worst I can remember seeing and I am genuinely disgusted at what I have seen here, from you as well as others. Normally I don't let the internet do that to me but it's made a little bit of me die inside to read this.
I feel the same.Edited by blindswelledrat on Tuesday 30th June 11:36
This truly is a thread that Pistonheads should be ashamed of
Hats off to this chap, too.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-33318068
Clearly trying to guide others to safety, even when the grenades appear to be going off. I still think most people just want to live their lives in safety and peace, no matter what ideological persuasion. How do we stop the rest, though?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-33318068
Clearly trying to guide others to safety, even when the grenades appear to be going off. I still think most people just want to live their lives in safety and peace, no matter what ideological persuasion. How do we stop the rest, though?
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