Another Tunisian Attack - Sousse

[GT03ROB]

johnxjsc1985 said:

stuart313 said:

The invasion has begun



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3134534/Th...

That front is going one way and its not in the direction where you cant even grow a peanut. A few strategic nukes could end this tomorrow. fk em.

there is a school of thought the people of that area are only used to being ruled by fear and have been for generations hence the success of Gaddafi and Sadam etc i wonder if a strategic strike has even been thought of I doubt it very much. Whilst the west is the main target of Isis overseas China and Russia will do nothing .

That graphic is complete & utter scaremongering nonsense.

A few strategic nukes ending this tomorrow is complete & utter nonsense.

"Strategic strikes" against what? against who?

Some strange ideas on here

[blindswelledrat]

WinstonWolf said:

dirk01 said:

AJL308 said:

At the moment it's Islam, during other periods it's been most other religions. Let's face it - religion is just st, quite frankly and seems to have the ability to bring out the very worst in people.

Its not religion, Its any group where the people in the group believe that their views should take precedence over others, or only they know the truth, or are intolerant of others

Hitler,
Stalin-
Mao
Pol Pot

Not much in the way of religion there.
I think you will find that those alone were responsible for more deaths than all the deaths caused by religion throughout the whole of human history.

The same seeds of evil can be found in groups across the globe at the moment- Some extreme US sects, UK extreme right-wingers; UK extreme left-wingers, muslim extremists and many others.

You are wrong, but opinionated.

WHat was the point in typing that? Do you think its clever to do things like that without explaining yourself? Nobody else does.

[GT03ROB]

drivetrain said:

GT03ROB said:

That graphic is complete & utter scaremongering nonsense.

A few strategic nukes ending this tomorrow is complete & utter nonsense.

"Strategic strikes" against what? against who?

Some strange ideas on here

Riyadh would be a good start.

The Saudis are the ones bankrolling these savages, cut the head off the snake.

Like I said some strange ideas here....

...surrendering the Arabian peninsula with all it's oil wealth to ISIS as well makes excellent sense.....

[WinstonWolf]

blindswelledrat said:

WinstonWolf said:

dirk01 said:

AJL308 said:

At the moment it's Islam, during other periods it's been most other religions. Let's face it - religion is just st, quite frankly and seems to have the ability to bring out the very worst in people.

Its not religion, Its any group where the people in the group believe that their views should take precedence over others, or only they know the truth, or are intolerant of others

Hitler,
Stalin-
Mao
Pol Pot

Not much in the way of religion there.
I think you will find that those alone were responsible for more deaths than all the deaths caused by religion throughout the whole of human history.

The same seeds of evil can be found in groups across the globe at the moment- Some extreme US sects, UK extreme right-wingers; UK extreme left-wingers, muslim extremists and many others.

You are wrong, but opinionated.

WHat was the point in typing that? Do you think its clever to do things like that without explaining yourself? Nobody else does.

What was the point in typing that? Do you think its clever to do things like that without explaining yourself? Nobody else does.

Grumpy old sod....

[Blue Cat]

What really really annoys me about the thread is the way people just throw out "nuke them" as an option.

I guess that this from younger people who haven't been exposed to the dangers and effects of using these weapons.

Yes, drop bombs in the middle east and release all that radiation into the world. Did you know that we are still feeling the effects of the Chernobyl radiation

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2009/may/12...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1514492/20-...

I am all for getting rid of these people but not at the risk of killing myself with cancer at the same time

[IroningMan]

drivetrain said:

Riyadh would be a good start.

The Saudis are the ones bankrolling these savages, cut the head off the snake.

Because the recent history of regime change in the Middle East is certainly reassuring...

[Eric Mc]

Mr_B said:

Do you really think you can just write off Hitler and the whole Nazi movement and just say no religion there, just by mentioning him ?

It depends on how you define "religion". I prefer the word "belief system" as it encompasses all the "isms" there are - whether a supernatural deity is invoked or not. The great isms of the 20th century tended not to involve supernatural deities - but these deities were replaced by strong, charismatic and powerful secular leaders who sometimes were accorded the attributes of a deity by those who followed them.

[QuantumTokoloshi]

Mr Cameron and Co. has contributed to this tragedy. The ill conceived intervention in Libya. The bombing for peace he so enthusiastically pursued, has destabilised North Africa and provided the training opportunity for this psycho, along with the attacks in Algeria, earlier Tunisian attack and the Mali mess.

Well done David, you truly are Blair light now.

[MikeT66]

More trouble...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-333404...

I certainly wouldn't consider taking a holiday anywhere near North Africa at the moment. The whole thing is very unfortunate for those struggling to put food on the table in some of these areas that rely on tourism.

[IroningMan]

QuantumTokoloshi said:

Mr Cameron and Co. has contributed to this tragedy. The ill conceived intervention in Libya. The bombing for peace he so enthusiastically pursued, has destabilised North Africa and provided the training opportunity for this psycho, along with the attacks in Algeria, earlier Tunisian attack and the Mali mess.

Well done David, you truly are Blair light now.

Yawn. Jihadi terrorism in North Africa goes back a little further than that. Perhaps you should ask yourself why just about every gun-toting nutjob in the Third World uses Russian-made weapons.

[grand cherokee]

IroningMan said:

Yawn. Jihadi terrorism in North Africa goes back a little further than that. Perhaps you should ask yourself why just about every gun-toting nutjob in the Third World uses Russian-made weapons.

and uses said weapons very, very poorly - too many have watched Rambo and fire the Ak's from the hip - of course always on fully automatic!

they get multiple jams because weapons maintenance/cleaning is an anathema to them

thank god they are such idiots otherwise they could be even more dangerous

a friend in the USMC 'did' Fallujah - loads of the idiots died using the RPG 7 - back blast etc

it was common to go into abuilding and find a haji dead with an RPG at his/her side

Edited by grand cherokee on Wednesday 1st July 12:00

[Ali G]

Guam said:

Ali G said:

And one suspects that the 'troubles' out East are little to do with religion - other than as handy vehicle abused by power mad loons (at the top) to stir a mob into foaming hysteria.

[OT]

And re NI - I bow to your superior wisdom - O Great One (not)
Check out Glasgow for sectarian troubles in miniature.



[/OT]

Nice
Perhaps if you had spent some time there with the guys doing night patrols in west Belfast talked to the Intel guys in the mill spent time at Springfield road police station or in the op with the mugs gallery at the divis road flats a you might realise it was well understood it was about criminal activity and organised crime far more than it was ever about religion or even politics
Politics was basically a smokescreen and religion was basically trotted out as a distraction for the gullible
Sectarianism in Scotland is a different issue
And nothing to do with the issues of NI and the motivation of both sets of scumbags
Hope that helps
Although I doubt it very much

We'll not de-rail the thread!

And certainly not for another NI discourse.

The parallel I may have been attempting to draw was between Muslim and Christian troubles.

There is considerable ire directed towards the Muslim community and how it needs to get it's house in order based upon the assumption that it is the religion which is at fault (which it is not). In the UK we may have experienced similar difficulties in Christian communities between Catholic and Protestant and could have assumed that Christianity was at fault (which it was not) - as you have illustrated (partly). However, there are still considerable tensions between Catholic and Protestant communities at times (particularly during 'marching' season)

All looks a bit tribal really - the religious aspects appear to be more of an inconvenience in the pursuit of ultra-violence.

I did put a 'smiley' at the bottom.

Have another.

[grand cherokee]

DuncanM said:

blindswelledrat said:

ETA: I realise I am expressing my opinions a little animatedly but in all the wretched threads in NP&E this is the worst I can remember seeing and I am genuinely disgusted at what I have seen here, from you as well as others. Normally I don't let the internet do that to me but it's made a little bit of me die inside to read this.

Edited by blindswelledrat on Tuesday 30th June 11:36

I feel the same.

This truly is a thread that Pistonheads should be ashamed of

both of you blindly refuse to accept the mood within the country - your agenda confuses me and probably most other normal rational people?

I deal daily with people from the unemployed to court judges - the common sentiment is the people of this country are fed up to the teeth with Islam in whatever guise - so called moderate to ISIS/AQ

Islam is the problem - stop beating about the bush - as a religion/belief system it is totally incompatible with a modern western democracy

stands by for abuse - and you know what? - I don't give a toss because I'm not in denial

[Mr_B]

Important news from PMQs. Please don't call them Islamic State, it's upset some people that 'Islamic' keeps getting mentioned. The BBC are going to drop it and so is the PM.

[anonymous-user]

Mr_B said:

Important news from PMQs. Please don't call them Islamic State, it's upset some people that 'Islamic' keeps getting mentioned. The BBC are going to drop it and so is the PM.

You are fking kidding.

Platitudes of the worst kind.

[Mermaid]

Mr_B said:

Important news from PMQs. Please don't call them Islamic State, it's upset some people that 'Islamic' keeps getting mentioned. The BBC are going to drop it and so is the PM.

Really,really? If so:

BBC - spineless. They don't like his wife wearing short dresses, and a full bin liner would match her hair.

[Ali G]

Guam said:

Ah yes the old smiley after an insult comment fixes everything
Perhaps we should tell ISIS to use more smileys
The only derailing is from those trying to make a daft point over an assertion that NI was about religion
Happy to drop the matter

It was - partly - and still does suffer 'religious' tensions - which you no doubt would accept.

Sloppy posting by both parties!

Dropped.

[funkyrobot]

OpulentBob said:

Mr_B said:

Important news from PMQs. Please don't call them Islamic State, it's upset some people that 'Islamic' keeps getting mentioned. The BBC are going to drop it and so is the PM.

You are fking kidding.

Platitudes of the worst kind.

So they'll be called 'State'?

[egor110]

Guam said:

This is the Mail of course but if correct should we be surprised?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3145662/Tu...

Islamic state aren't stupid how could it be any easier to get members into europe than on a refugee boat.

[blindswelledrat]

grand cherokee said:

both of you blindly refuse to accept the mood within the country - your agenda confuses me and probably most other normal rational people?
I deal daily with people from the unemployed to court judges - the common sentiment is the people of this country are fed up to the teeth with Islam in whatever guise - so called moderate to ISIS/AQ
Islam is the problem - stop beating about the bush - as a religion/belief system it is totally incompatible with a modern western democracy
stands by for abuse - and you know what? - I don't give a toss because I'm not in denial

Except your anecdotes still don't equate to facts I'm afraid.
Because believe it or not, I too deal with people on a daily basis and my own anecdote is the exact opposite of yours.
That most people I speak to on a daily basis are sick of extremists but are perfectly able to distinguish extremists from normal people and are sick of people who can't. In fact, I would think that about 90% of the people I speak to on a daily basis think that the racists on this thread are just as extreme as the extremists they get upset about.
You see at either end of the spectrum you have extremist muslims who thing that all non-muslims are the same and would happily nuke them and on the other end of the spectrum you have western extremists who think all muslims are the same and should be nuked and the 95% of humans in the middle are just normal people.

So no I do not think muslims and islam is a problem, but I think people who do could easily make this a self-fulfilling prophecy because psychos like ISIS feed from the negativity caused by people like this thread and vice versa.