Another Tunisian Attack - Sousse
Discussion
AJL308 said:
Trax said:
I know, but that's why I did add 'in that part of the world', but my worry is how long until places like Dubai become like African Muslim countries, is it possible?
As mentioned above - people from the civilised World just shouldn't go to these s
t holes. If the locals want to act like savages then they can get on with it but I fail to see why anyone else should risk being caught up in it.Anyone from the West who wants to go there to fight, or do whatever else they feel they should do, should be allowed to go if that's the life they want for themselves but shouldn't be allowed back.
t holes?After all by your criteria there muslim countries so the locals are ripe to being radicalized and murdering easy target ' people from the civilised world'
johnxjsc1985 said:
grand cherokee said:
start with Fallujah in Iraq - small yield tactical warhead to show we will not tolerate their behaviour
the problem is mate I don't think they care the more you kill the more extreme they seem to get. you cant negoitate with them because they are living in the dark ages the only ones who can help to stop this is the Muslims of this world. Maybe Dave had something.
AJL308 said:
As mentioned above - people from the civilised World just shouldn't go to these st holes. If the locals want to act like savages then they can get on with it but I fail to see why anyone else should risk being caught up in it.
Have you ever stopped to think just why Tunisia and the like have gotten into the state they are in ? t holes. If the locals want to act like savages then they can get on with it but I fail to see why anyone else should risk being caught up in it. Like the fact the intervention of the west in encouraging the Arab Spring created a vacuum in each country , which enabled IS to become a power . It also created the current problem with the influx of boat migrants in Europe too.
Stopping or discouraging tourism does two things which are just wrong . One, it destroys the very economy they need to protect the majority of locals from the scourge that is IS and two, it allows terrorism to win. Besides, do you think IS will just consider those as a victory and not pursue us elsewhere ? They want to drag us all back to the seventh century and will go anywhere, they need to, to do it.
Would I go to Tunisia on holiday ? Yes, I don't see why not for the reasons above. I went to Egypt post the spring and lived. Tunisia will need to invest more to protect people from these terrorists , but don't write them off for something we are, partly, responsible for. Let's not forget that terrorism in North Africa also preceded the last 5 years and IS.
If you want to be 100% safe then don't go anywhere, ever. Statistically you stand more chance of being killed in a car crash on the Costa del Sol than shot dead in North Africa.
Edited by jcremonini on Saturday 27th June 15:00
Asterix said:
They're happy to die, martyred in Alan's name
who is this Alan you speak of and does he have many followers. I think if it was just force that was needed the US would be in like a flash and I guess us and others following but who is it we are fighting because we all know they would dissappear back into civilian life and become invisible at the first sign of trouble.
force and strength is a language they may understand but its application isn thtat easy is it.
just one man caused so much damage yesterday how many more like him are there ?.
johnxjsc1985 said:
Asterix said:
They're happy to die, martyred in Alan's name
who is this Alan you speak of and does he have many followers. I think if it was just force that was needed the US would be in like a flash and I guess us and others following but who is it we are fighting because we all know they would dissappear back into civilian life and become invisible at the first sign of trouble.
force and strength is a language they may understand but its application isn thtat easy is it.
just one man caused so much damage yesterday how many more like him are there ?.
grand cherokee said:
start with Fallujah in Iraq - small yield tactical warhead to show we will not tolerate their behaviour
He's right. A demonstration of intent. Suggest that if their little capers continue that we may have to cancel the Haj .
That's an angry response.
I am very familiar with Islam. I have lived in an Islamic land I have lived closely with Islamic people, spent time in mosques. I genuinely believe that it was a peaceful religion with largely good intent. Sadly I fear it has a very aggressive cancer within it. The bad consuming and outweighing the good.
The same old tune since 9/11 'It wasn't us' is getting very very boring.
Time is running out for the good peaceful Muslims. They need to fight to flush the evil ones from their communities. Tiurf them out, turn them in, ostracise those who support them in deed or thiught.
They need to physically and metaphorically open their doors, becone transparent, cast aside traditions that set them apart, create mystery and promote mistrust.
Basically become a bit more secular.
If not I can see a day where a western nation says 'enough' and starts a one size fits all ball rolling that changes the game for ever whether that is chucking instant sunshine about, pogroms, or a less tolerant approach to any form of Islam.
Muslims here in the UK should be marching on parliament, screaming at politicians to strike IS with the strongest weapons we have. Today is armed forces day. Muslim leaders and their parishioners should be out today, raising cash for H4H or whatever, taking a lead, shaking hands showing that they really are not all murderous savages.
There will be a tipping point that comes with official backing from somewhere - new French Government, change of opinion in Germany, Denmark or somewhere.
A horrible time to be a Jew, Christian, Muslim, or non believer.
That said if someone told me no beer or bacon butties I'd be on a rampage too
Have many friends who hold faith in Islam but none of them are mentalists all happy moderate types. As a religion it's great based on charity and looking after others so I e nothing against the fair just the extremist loonballs.
One simple way to deter them every terrorist summer has their corspe wrapped in pigskin and thoroughly desecrated
Have many friends who hold faith in Islam but none of them are mentalists all happy moderate types. As a religion it's great based on charity and looking after others so I e nothing against the fair just the extremist loonballs.
One simple way to deter them every terrorist summer has their corspe wrapped in pigskin and thoroughly desecrated
johnxjsc1985 said:
Asterix said:
They're happy to die, martyred in Alan's name
who is this Alan you speak of and does he have many followers. I think if it was just force that was needed the US would be in like a flash and I guess us and others following but who is it we are fighting because we all know they would dissappear back into civilian life and become invisible at the first sign of trouble.
force and strength is a language they may understand but its application isn thtat easy is it.
just one man caused so much damage yesterday how many more like him are there ?.
God's don't kill people.... People who believe in a God do.
Every time an Islamic gunman/terrorist is caught.
I still subscribe to the view that a nice burial in an unknown grave in a well lined bacon body bag - ( so they may never ever get to see Allah )
If they see that any punishment including death is not a deterrent... let's try this one.
I'm quite confident... that when word gets out.... they won't be so keen on committing atrocities.
Every time an Islamic gunman/terrorist is caught.
I still subscribe to the view that a nice burial in an unknown grave in a well lined bacon body bag - ( so they may never ever get to see Allah )
If they see that any punishment including death is not a deterrent... let's try this one.
I'm quite confident... that when word gets out.... they won't be so keen on committing atrocities.
Troubleatmill said:
God's don't kill people.... People who believe in a God do.
Every time an Islamic gunman/terrorist is caught.
I still subscribe to the view that a nice burial in an unknown grave in a well lined bacon body bag - ( so they may never ever get to see Allah )
If they see that any punishment including death is not a deterrent... let's try this one.
I'm quite confident... that when word gets out.... they won't be so keen on committing atrocities.
Didn't General Pershing or someone do this? Caught ten. Made them did their own graves. Smeared them in pug entrails. Killed nine and sent one back to his people with a tale to tell. Every time an Islamic gunman/terrorist is caught.
I still subscribe to the view that a nice burial in an unknown grave in a well lined bacon body bag - ( so they may never ever get to see Allah )
If they see that any punishment including death is not a deterrent... let's try this one.
I'm quite confident... that when word gets out.... they won't be so keen on committing atrocities.
The scary thing is I hear extreme s
t like this and it doesn't revolt me in the least.
'An attack upon the nests of fornication, vice and disbelief in God': ISIS's chilling words after Tunisian massacre
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3141379/Fa...
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3141379/Fa...
wildcat45 said:
...Time is running out for the good peaceful Muslims. They need to fight to flush the evil ones from their communities. Tiurf them out, turn them in, ostracise those who support them in deed or thiught.
They need to physically and metaphorically open their doors, becone transparent, cast aside traditions that set them apart, create mystery and promote mistrust.
Basically become a bit more secular.
If not I can see a day where a western nation says 'enough' and starts a one size fits all ball rolling that changes the game for ever whether that is chucking instant sunshine about, pogroms, or a less tolerant approach to any form of Islam.
Muslims here in the UK should be marching on parliament, screaming at politicians to strike IS with the strongest weapons we have. Today is armed forces day. Muslim leaders and their parishioners should be out today, raising cash for H4H or whatever, taking a lead, shaking hands showing that they really are not all murderous savages.
There will be a tipping point that comes with official backing from somewhere - new French Government, change of opinion in Germany, Denmark or somewhere.
They need to physically and metaphorically open their doors, becone transparent, cast aside traditions that set them apart, create mystery and promote mistrust.
Basically become a bit more secular.
If not I can see a day where a western nation says 'enough' and starts a one size fits all ball rolling that changes the game for ever whether that is chucking instant sunshine about, pogroms, or a less tolerant approach to any form of Islam.
Muslims here in the UK should be marching on parliament, screaming at politicians to strike IS with the strongest weapons we have. Today is armed forces day. Muslim leaders and their parishioners should be out today, raising cash for H4H or whatever, taking a lead, shaking hands showing that they really are not all murderous savages.
There will be a tipping point that comes with official backing from somewhere - new French Government, change of opinion in Germany, Denmark or somewhere.
This makes sense.
NicD said:
'An attack upon the nests of fornication, vice and disbelief in God': ISIS's chilling words after Tunisian massacre
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3141379/Fa...
If that's the case then why are the majority of people killed errrrr Muslim? Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3141379/Fa...
No mention on this site of the attack in the mosque in Kuwait in Ramadhan.....and you think ISIS are muslim? You got be having a laugh if you think they are.
They're set and and funded by the west. Just because I were to shout Allah Akbar or whatever and carry a black flag with some Arabic writing doesn't make me muslim. Atheist as that can be. I just don't buy into the media like most of the fools on here do.
pops666tt said:
If that's the case then why are the majority of people killed errrrr Muslim?
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I just don't buy into the media like most of the fools on here do.
errrr the 'Majority of Tunisia victims were British'.......
I just don't buy into the media like most of the fools on here do.
I am sure most 'fools on here' would be happy to see the evidence for your last statement
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