Another Tunisian Attack - Sousse

Another Tunisian Attack - Sousse

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Art0ir

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9,401 posts

169 months

Friday 26th June 2015
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Stayed in this very resort thrice before the Arab Spring. Very sad to see. Death toll at 27 and rising quickly.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-news/tunisia-...

furtive

4,498 posts

278 months

Friday 26th June 2015
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German and British amongst the dead

HarryW

15,150 posts

268 months

Friday 26th June 2015
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Shocking news.
Had more than one Holiday in Tunisia in the past. The topic came up last weekend over Father's Day dinner about going back perhaps on a late deal at the back end of summer. I dismissed it due the recent museum attacks. Great shame really as we found it to be a welcoming place with nice people. I feel for them a bit because over 15% rely on tourism and a couple of nutters have probably descended tourism into the abyss.

egor110

16,817 posts

202 months

Friday 26th June 2015
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How long before a red sea resort hotel gets hit.

We were on holiday in sharm and I thought there are maybe 4 armed guards at the main gate and at hotel entrance, probably bored stupid.

What's to stop a attack from the beach up and into the hotel.

Joey Ramone

2,150 posts

124 months

Friday 26th June 2015
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Parents in law were booked into this very hotel later in the year. They changed the booking to Fuertaventura last week. Correct decision.

barryrs

4,375 posts

222 months

Friday 26th June 2015
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My dads in the hotel next door at this very moment eek

Had some texts to say its calmed down now and thankfully my old mans not much a beach bather and prefers to stay round the pool. An awful lot of gun fire by all accounts and lots of helicopters circling overhead now.


Art0ir

Original Poster:

9,401 posts

169 months

Friday 26th June 2015
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HarryW said:
Shocking news.
Had more than one Holiday in Tunisia in the past. The topic came up last weekend over Father's Day dinner about going back perhaps on a late deal at the back end of summer. I dismissed it due the recent museum attacks. Great shame really as we found it to be a welcoming place with nice people. I feel for them a bit because over 15% rely on tourism and a couple of nutters have probably descended tourism into the abyss.
Collectively I've spent probably a few months in North Africa. An amazing people and a beautiful land. The missus hasn't been outside Europe so I've been trying to tempt her into Morocco or Tunisia later this year.

dazwalsh

6,095 posts

140 months

Friday 26th June 2015
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Had a nice holiday in Tunisia a few years ago, don't think I would ever venture back after the 2 attacks

Funkycoldribena

7,379 posts

153 months

Friday 26th June 2015
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Art0ir said:
Collectively I've spent probably a few months in North Africa. An amazing people and a beautiful land. The missus hasn't been outside Europe so I've been trying to tempt her into Morocco or Tunisia later this year.
Why would you put her at risk?

Art0ir

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9,401 posts

169 months

Friday 26th June 2015
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Funkycoldribena said:
Art0ir said:
Collectively I've spent probably a few months in North Africa. An amazing people and a beautiful land. The missus hasn't been outside Europe so I've been trying to tempt her into Morocco or Tunisia later this year.
Why would you put her at risk?
Prior to today. The idea didn't just pop into my head after hearing the news at lunch.

Legend83

9,947 posts

221 months

Friday 26th June 2015
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One eyewitness suggesting the gunmen approached the beach from the sea in a boat.

Black can man

31,816 posts

167 months

Friday 26th June 2015
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Joey Ramone said:
Parents in law were booked into this very hotel later in the year. They changed the booking to Fuertaventura last week. Correct decision.
Last week we were on the verge of booking a week to Egypt in october & we decided to leave it while . Probably safe as houses but you know , nah...

Munter

31,319 posts

240 months

Friday 26th June 2015
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My wife always thinks I'm paranoid by putting a veto on holidaying in Africa....

PoleDriver

28,614 posts

193 months

Friday 26th June 2015
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avinalarf

6,438 posts

141 months

Friday 26th June 2015
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Munter said:
My wife always thinks I'm paranoid by putting a veto on holidaying in Africa....
My wife has just vetoed our holiday plans.
We were only going to Brick Lane.

SeeFive

8,280 posts

232 months

Friday 26th June 2015
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My son in law is Tunisian. He came to England after Arab Spring. We spent a lot of time in the resorts and in his home town El Kef, up in the hills towards the Algerian border. It was a good country, peaceful except for petty crime and the punishments under Ben Ali's hard line rule were severe for the most minor transgression. Life was hard, the police were corrupt and everyone was in some fear of them, especially the young but it was a peaceful existence. The better off looked after the poor quite well, for example taxi drivers would always chip into the pot of a beggar walking between traffic in towns, and the drivers were by no means wealthy.

Post Arab Spring , the people all suddenly had "rights", and many had weapons but with little knowledge of what that freedom and capability meant. Hence life became very different with groups and individuals raiding other towns at will. In his words, the country is now fked. Everybody is out for themselves with massive escalation in prices for staple foods like tomatoes which were only a few millemes for a kilo, which soon became many dinars per kilo as they could be sold to Libya at that price, and the farmers lost all notion of selling them to locals at anything except that price. As he says, the general population of Tunisia is not too intelligent, and from scraping a living under the old regime with a barely affordable lifestyle, life has become even harder with many people forced to turn to criminal activity to live. The extremists always existed but now have more scope to do their work and people are seemingly happy to join them for the necessary dinars.

Back in the day, some of the roads we travelled were heavily policed, and on a two hour journey we would be stopped 4 or 5 times with the police looking for drugs being run between Algeria and Tunis. Now if you are stopped, it will not be the police, more likely bandits whit some dire outcomes. The place is just not safe now in many areas outside of the tourist belt.

10 years ago I would advocate Tunisia as a place to go to experience a simple, peaceful and very old fashioned lifestyle away from the tourist areas with very peaceful and welcoming people. Until this year I would still have hit Hammamet and the like. Now, I would not go anywhere near the place. That is what regime change has meant for them, poor souls.

So these acts by exremists are terrible, my heart goes out to the victims and families, but the way I could safely visit their country is long gone before today. Tunisian people will be very upset by this, tourism is a massive contribution to their economy and this can only make things worse for them.

egor110

16,817 posts

202 months

Friday 26th June 2015
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Funkycoldribena said:
Art0ir said:
Collectively I've spent probably a few months in North Africa. An amazing people and a beautiful land. The missus hasn't been outside Europe so I've been trying to tempt her into Morocco or Tunisia later this year.
Why would you put her at risk?
Thing is where do you go that's not a risk?

You only need a small group of self radicalized freaks to cause chaos pretty much anywhere.

Because there self radicalized there's no chain of command so even harder to keep a eye on.

onyx39

11,109 posts

149 months

Friday 26th June 2015
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Reuters saying Britain's among the dead.
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Will the government do something now??

deltaevo16

755 posts

170 months

Friday 26th June 2015
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onyx39 said:
Reuters saying Britain's among the dead.
frown
Will the government do something now??
They will be a large wringing off heads, thats about it.

Legend83

9,947 posts

221 months

Friday 26th June 2015
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onyx39 said:
Reuters saying Britain's among the dead.
frown
Will the government do something now??
Like what though? Government can look at the bigger picture but how can lone wolf attacks like this be effectively stopped?