Never felt so angry at an article...

[AJL308]

xjsdriver said:

Surely forensics could/should have determined who was sitting in the driver's seat by transfer of fabric particles (who-ever's trackies had left traces on the driver's seat, dna on steering wheel etc etc).

They'd both been in the driving seat at one point but said the other was driving at the time of the crash.

[unrepentant]

AJL308 said:

There was a similar situation some years back involving two chavs in a stolen car; they had crashed and killed a pedestrian but neither were able to be prosecuted for the murder as there was no evidence to prove which was driving at the time.

Well it probably wouldn't be murder anyway as it's unlikely their intent was to crash and kill the pedestrian. What happened to "joint enterprise" though?

[rohrl]

unrepentant said:

Well it probably wouldn't be murder anyway as it's unlikely their intent was to crash and kill the pedestrian. What happened to "joint enterprise" though?

For a joint enterprise conviction you need to show that all parties were aware of the risk of a crime taking place, which I don't see that you could in this situation.

[otolith]

They're not covering for each other, they are blaming each other and one of them is lying.

[Oakey]

You'd like to think the police have an idea which one of them is lying. And then bug them in the hope they admit it.

[anonymous-user]

Offer them both a lie detector test, presumably if either are innocent they will take it. I don't know how accurate they are but that's not really the point.

[Boydie88]

It's the 11 hour wait to dial 999 that is a blood boiler too. Surely they can both be done for this if the baby was in dual care. If it's not classed as dual care then surely the mother should be checking on her toddler within the 11 hours. Poor kid. Smashing a toddlers head against a wall is a hell of a burden to live with, I hope it proves to be too much for whichever of the cowardly scumbags did it.

[eldar]

rohrl said:

For a joint enterprise conviction you need to show that all parties were aware of the risk of a crime taking place, which I don't see that you could in this situation.

Neither saw fit to call any assistance for several hours?

[daytona365]

Can this really be ? Like the reporting on 911...... ''There are no words''

[FredClogs]

Lie detector would sort this out, they use it in the states to guide police enquiries and Jeremy Kyle uses then to very good effect.

I can't believe this will end here.

[Zyp]

The pic of the poor little mite in hospital is heart wrenching.

Utter, utter bds.

[Ayahuasca]

One occasion where the use of a tiny bit of torture can by morally justified in my opinion. I doubt it would taken much for one of them to crack. I wonder if the police in the 70s would have used slightly more robust interrogation techniques than today?

[0000]

[Halb]

Kill them both.

[williamp]

Halb said:

Kill them both.

..yes but one of them is innocent. And is saying the other person did it. What more can that person do??

[Murph7355]

williamp said:

..yes but one of them is innocent. And is saying the other person did it. What more can that person do??

Either one of them could have prevented it....

[anonymous-user]

williamp said:

Halb said:

Kill them both.

..yes but one of them is innocent. And is saying the other person did it. What more can that person do??

They're both guilty at least of negligence, which led to the murder. Any competent legal system would have them both off the streets. We just don't have one.

From the CPS, through the legal profession to the police, we are sadly lacking.

[dazwalsh]

11 hours to ring 999, thats just sickening. poor little chap.

[bexVN]

Well I've signed the petition, it may not make a difference but to know he has support may count for something for him, poor Dad

[Boydie88]

ash73 said:

Boydie88 said:

Don't think a story has ever made me feel so sick and pissed off at our justice system.

Do yourself a favour and stop reading the Daily Mail.

Oh sorry, is it not a true story then? FWIW, I don't. Just came up under one of the terrorist stories linked by someone else.

Zyp said:

The pic of the poor little mite in hospital is heart wrenching.

Utter, utter bds.

Yep, that hit me hard - then came the picture of the mother visiting him in hospital (which I assume is the from the incident going by the boy's injuries) with her arm round the dad before he found out the truth!!! fking scumbag. I don't care if she wasn't the perpetrator of the assault, but that poor little kid would have had a hell of a bump on his head almost immediately and she took 11 hours to get him attention.