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Whilst reading the latest atrocities carried out by the religion of peace, I came across this further down the page.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3139985/Fa...
Don't think a story has ever made me feel so sick and pissed off at our justice system.
Feel so sorry for the dad. I'd have to hand myself in through fear I'd murder them both. What sick, sick
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Bringing it up here to hopefully raise a bit more awareness for his petition http://goo.gl//Fc4MGD
Looking at his page, he seems to have been interviewed for the national news to the back of the failed appeal which hopefully get a few more signed.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3139985/Fa...
Don't think a story has ever made me feel so sick and pissed off at our justice system.
Feel so sorry for the dad. I'd have to hand myself in through fear I'd murder them both. What sick, sick
s.Bringing it up here to hopefully raise a bit more awareness for his petition http://goo.gl//Fc4MGD
Looking at his page, he seems to have been interviewed for the national news to the back of the failed appeal which hopefully get a few more signed.
Absolutely tragic but I can't really see what the alternative is. If the evidence isn't there to prove which one of them did it then there is not a lot that you can do. You cannot hope to secure a conviction on the back of no evidence.
There was a similar situation some years back involving two chavs in a stolen car; they had crashed and killed a pedestrian but neither were able to be prosecuted for the murder as there was no evidence to prove which was driving at the time.
There was a similar situation some years back involving two chavs in a stolen car; they had crashed and killed a pedestrian but neither were able to be prosecuted for the murder as there was no evidence to prove which was driving at the time.
It's a difficult one. No doubt frustrating incredibly frustrating for the bloke but if there isn't sufficient evidence to say who did it what can they do? The small pool of potential suspects makes it worse of course.
If he did it and they prosecute both then the poor girl has not only lost her baby but also faces prison for something she hasn't done.
If the other way around the poor bloke gets locked up for nothing.
Of course they could have both been involved but it seems that with the current available evidence we just can't tell and one of the cores of our justice system is that if you can't be proven guilty then you are innocent.
If he did it and they prosecute both then the poor girl has not only lost her baby but also faces prison for something she hasn't done.
If the other way around the poor bloke gets locked up for nothing.
Of course they could have both been involved but it seems that with the current available evidence we just can't tell and one of the cores of our justice system is that if you can't be proven guilty then you are innocent.
Mermaid said:
heebeegeetee said:
Mermaid said:
Nasty precedent established.
There's not, I've seen this before.Of course if that person can prove they were not driving or the picture shows you driving or you get caught out in any other way then you're going to be up against some serious charges that'll make the original speeding seem like nothing - remember Chris Huhne and his wife got 8 months + had to pay £100,000+ in fees for lying about who was driving for a speeding offence.
The person who killed the baby had nothing to lose in saying they didn't do it. The punishment for lying isn't going to make much difference if they get found guilty. The person who didn't kill the baby has said it wasn't them and presumably given evidence against the other party.
I would hope and expect that when a situation like this occurs there is usually some evidence to back up one of the pair. There is still hope that at some point such evidence may come up.
Edited by rpguk on Friday 26th June 18:50
AJL308 said:
Absolutely tragic but I can't really see what the alternative is. If the evidence isn't there to prove which one of them did it then there is not a lot that you can do. You cannot hope to secure a conviction on the back of no evidence.
There was a similar situation some years back involving two chavs in a stolen car; they had crashed and killed a pedestrian but neither were able to be prosecuted for the murder as there was no evidence to prove which was driving at the time.
Surely forensics could/should have determined who was sitting in the driver's seat by transfer of fabric particles (who-ever's trackies had left traces on the driver's seat, dna on steering wheel etc etc).There was a similar situation some years back involving two chavs in a stolen car; they had crashed and killed a pedestrian but neither were able to be prosecuted for the murder as there was no evidence to prove which was driving at the time.
One of them did it, put them before the court, any funny business= contempt of court or lying under oath etc send them back down on remand day in day out until the truth comes out. Then prosecute one for murder the other for perverting the course of justice.
I do not see how the cps can let this go, every scrout in the land will try this on.....
I do not see how the cps can let this go, every scrout in the land will try this on.....
Edited by HarryW on Friday 26th June 18:53
HarryW said:
Quite shocking really, what's wrong with prosecuting them both for a joint murder and letting the jury decide?
Presumably there isn't evidence to do so (The CPS need a 'realistic prospect of conviction' to go forward). A jury still needs evidence to base their decision, not just their gut feeling.rpguk said:
HarryW said:
Quite shocking really, what's wrong with prosecuting them both for a joint murder and letting the jury decide?
Presumably there isn't evidence to do so (The CPS need a 'realistic prospect of conviction' to go forward). A jury still needs evidence to base their decision, not just their gut feeling.AJL308 said:
Mermaid said:
Nasty precedent established.
No precedent has been established. If there is no evidence then you cannot convict. That's not a new legal concept.HarryW said:
Simples both are equally guilty of murder, one may only be an assistant to the murder but the worse that can come of it is they both get long stretches instead of one long and the other not so long. I can live with that.....
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