NBC to Donald Trump : You're Fired
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The bigoted hairpiece has been given his marching orders by NBC following his ridiculous comments about Mexicans and immigration. Nice one NBC! 
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/nbc-...
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/nbc-...
Oh no, they were ridiculous. The man is ridiculous.
He's shot himself in the foot though. Running for President was never serious, he has no chance of getting close to the nomination. It would have been good advertising for his TV stuff though. Now that's all been pulled and we should she less of The Donald once he's been dumped out of the race.
He's shot himself in the foot though. Running for President was never serious, he has no chance of getting close to the nomination. It would have been good advertising for his TV stuff though. Now that's all been pulled and we should she less of The Donald once he's been dumped out of the race.
anonymous said:
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And this differs from the rest of the web how, exactly? There are frequently comments on CiF that endorse all sorts of nasty things being done to Tory's/UKIP types etc etc. Over at ARSSE the views are even more forthright.Perhaps those of a fragile nature should avoid such intolerant and frightening encounters?
By the by, just how many is 'the number' you mention? Do you have a percentage? And are you scanning across all the topics or just picking out the responses on NP&E?
anonymous said:
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Oh aye, he shouldn't have said what he said, but still, the point about Hispanic crime levels must be made, or the question asked, surely?Or are we only allowed to question crime figures when it's whitey getting the blame? Can't go upsettin' the hand wringers, right?
anonymous said:
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You're talking like it's a majority of bigoted, hateful racists - it isn't. Also, this is the N,P&E sub forum, you're bound to get people expressing their views - if more people lean to the left than the right, so be it, it's not like this is stormfront or similar, you're just overreacting, what a surprise!
"I'M THE ONLY NONE NAZI HERE!"
midenginedcoupe - This place is not filled with racists and xenophobes or even misogynists and bigots. What you will find here though is a wide cross section of views from all ends of the spectrum from people who are, generally, able to express themselves and their opinions with better clarity than your average Forum user.
As a result you will often see posts which you might strongly disagree with and which might lead you to question the poster's views very strongly. This is called debate and discussion and is much better carried out between a wider audience than one who sycophantically agrees with everything 'right on' and 'on message'.
The problem really arises when we come to topics like this one. Unless your mind is 100% closed and made up on the subject in question you see something like this development and wonder about why it was said. From my chair I find myself thinking that what Trump has said seems particularly idiotic and totally unfair as my assumption is that the majority of people trying to cross to the USA are intent on working hard and building a better life for themselves. What does niggle at me though is why did Trump feel able to even contemplate making the comments he did? Is there any evidence to say that there is more to his statement than just the language used? Is it actually the case that there is a more than just significant number of illegal immigrants who are only interested in getting to the USA for nefarious purposes?
As I believe the other poster is trying to deduce - Is there any evidence that even remotely supports Trumps view or is it just home grown BS from him based on prejudice without any factual evidence?
Remember the only thing that is more harmful than racism, sexism, religious intolerance and so forth is seeking to find one or more of the above rather than looking at the base question. In this very country we have experienced people who have allowed appalling atrocities to be committed because they were worried that if they started to look into them they would be branded racists.
Apart from anything else if you ever seek to try to show any 'ist' the error of their ways the best thing you can do to start off is to hear what their views are and try to understand why they hold these. From that point you can seek to persuade them that they are grossly misguided on a factual basis. Just calling racists out (when you perceive someone to be one) does nothing other than deepen divides. Engage with them if at all possible and educate, otherwise you are really no better than them, and certainly will not improve anyone's lot.
As a result you will often see posts which you might strongly disagree with and which might lead you to question the poster's views very strongly. This is called debate and discussion and is much better carried out between a wider audience than one who sycophantically agrees with everything 'right on' and 'on message'.
The problem really arises when we come to topics like this one. Unless your mind is 100% closed and made up on the subject in question you see something like this development and wonder about why it was said. From my chair I find myself thinking that what Trump has said seems particularly idiotic and totally unfair as my assumption is that the majority of people trying to cross to the USA are intent on working hard and building a better life for themselves. What does niggle at me though is why did Trump feel able to even contemplate making the comments he did? Is there any evidence to say that there is more to his statement than just the language used? Is it actually the case that there is a more than just significant number of illegal immigrants who are only interested in getting to the USA for nefarious purposes?
As I believe the other poster is trying to deduce - Is there any evidence that even remotely supports Trumps view or is it just home grown BS from him based on prejudice without any factual evidence?
Remember the only thing that is more harmful than racism, sexism, religious intolerance and so forth is seeking to find one or more of the above rather than looking at the base question. In this very country we have experienced people who have allowed appalling atrocities to be committed because they were worried that if they started to look into them they would be branded racists.
Apart from anything else if you ever seek to try to show any 'ist' the error of their ways the best thing you can do to start off is to hear what their views are and try to understand why they hold these. From that point you can seek to persuade them that they are grossly misguided on a factual basis. Just calling racists out (when you perceive someone to be one) does nothing other than deepen divides. Engage with them if at all possible and educate, otherwise you are really no better than them, and certainly will not improve anyone's lot.
immigration is always a funny subject, isn't the case that any population only want the best to join them? do you want a rapist allowed into the country?
The point everyone misses is that any populace already has a populace of undesirable people.
In an ideal world everyone would get the same start in life and educated the same which in theory would make a good person. You will always get people that are bad and will have to deal with them in an appropriate manner, you could argue who has the right to judge people?
Likewise you could say the USA needs to get its own house in order before providing opinion on others.
how do you do it though? you can't just send all the nasty people away to another country (in this day and age) more bad people in the population would pop up.
The point everyone misses is that any populace already has a populace of undesirable people.
In an ideal world everyone would get the same start in life and educated the same which in theory would make a good person. You will always get people that are bad and will have to deal with them in an appropriate manner, you could argue who has the right to judge people?
Likewise you could say the USA needs to get its own house in order before providing opinion on others.
how do you do it though? you can't just send all the nasty people away to another country (in this day and age) more bad people in the population would pop up.
anonymous said:
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Can you point me to a thread where you have utterly dismantled another posters position by evidence? Can you point me to a thread where you have had your position dismantled by evidence and have subsequently adjusted your own view? You'll note I've left out the logic part to the questions above. This is due to the fact that on t'internet it is often the case that what one man defines as logic, another would define utterly bonkers.
anonymous said:
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In repost:-1) I was typing as you were posting (with a few calls in the mix as well) and noted your 12:10 post just after submitting mine. I can see what you did, and it would appear that I have also done similar in how I tweaked the wording of the point in question. Debating in written from is very hard though. I am sure from their other posts that if you had pulled that poster up on their used of 'Hispanic' they might well have amended their phraseology to say "Those crossing the Mexican boarder illegally" but on Forums things don't flow as they do in discourse. There must be the odd bit of slack cut here and there or else we get sent and bogged down in tributaries and never follow the river to the sea.
2)I have seen it a few times over the 10+ years I have been wasting hours of my life on here. It isn't frequent, and also it often isn't overt. That said I have seen the views of others change over the years I have been on here. There are still firebrands on all sides, there always will be until punishment for thought crime is brought in, but if your views are valid, proportionate and backed by real provable fact them the chances are that you will alter the perceptions of others, not perhaps immediately and overtly but certainly over time.
ok Lets assume that we could create a new PHland, what would be the ideals that society would posses?
I'd say:
free healthcare at point of consumption
free education at point of consumption
same rules for all no matter what differences people are.
free to practice religion providing there is no bigotedness (if that's possible)
rehabilitation areas of society instead of prisons.
lazy areas of society for people that don't want to work. no mindnumbing tv, but plenty of educational stuff which may allow people to find an interest in something.
Wow, ok, getting lots of people to live in harmony might be a bit difficult then.
I don't think there is a real answer, as everyone is going to have their own opinion. and not everyone has a choice to go and live in another country. especially if you are Mexican and trying to get into the US it would seem!
I'd say:
free healthcare at point of consumption
free education at point of consumption
same rules for all no matter what differences people are.
free to practice religion providing there is no bigotedness (if that's possible)
rehabilitation areas of society instead of prisons.
lazy areas of society for people that don't want to work. no mindnumbing tv, but plenty of educational stuff which may allow people to find an interest in something.
Wow, ok, getting lots of people to live in harmony might be a bit difficult then.
I don't think there is a real answer, as everyone is going to have their own opinion. and not everyone has a choice to go and live in another country. especially if you are Mexican and trying to get into the US it would seem!
NBC may have fired Trump because he made a number of comments about improving border security between the USA and Mexico which in many places is lax or non-existant; that said, he would have to leave anyway as he is a Presidential candidate.
NBC as a company align themselves with the Democratic Party and for them to take the actions they took is no great surprise.
NBC as a company align themselves with the Democratic Party and for them to take the actions they took is no great surprise.
Anyway, back to Mr Ridiculous.......
It's tempting to say that Trump has made a mockery of the GOP and their quest for a 2016 nominee. But in fairness they were already a joke before he interjected himself.
As for immigration, he's totally wrong. We need immigrants and the people who come from the south are generally hard working and aspirational. The problem is the system, which is broken and which criminalizes them before they even get here. I came to America through the immigration system and even as a white, middle class European marrying a US citizen it was torturous and expensive. My visa took 9 months, the process was unnecessarily repetitive and the cost was over $5000. How does a poor Mexican who wants to come here to work and send home a few dollars to his family deal with that? The system needs to be overhauled (in fairness sensible people in all parties realize that) and streamlined. It needs to accept or deny people quickly and efficiently.
All morons like Trump and Ted Cruz do is seek to whip up anti immigrant racist sentiment that sits well with the bigoted right wing of the republican party. Fortunately attitudes and demographics are changing and moving away from them.
It's tempting to say that Trump has made a mockery of the GOP and their quest for a 2016 nominee. But in fairness they were already a joke before he interjected himself.
As for immigration, he's totally wrong. We need immigrants and the people who come from the south are generally hard working and aspirational. The problem is the system, which is broken and which criminalizes them before they even get here. I came to America through the immigration system and even as a white, middle class European marrying a US citizen it was torturous and expensive. My visa took 9 months, the process was unnecessarily repetitive and the cost was over $5000. How does a poor Mexican who wants to come here to work and send home a few dollars to his family deal with that? The system needs to be overhauled (in fairness sensible people in all parties realize that) and streamlined. It needs to accept or deny people quickly and efficiently.
All morons like Trump and Ted Cruz do is seek to whip up anti immigrant racist sentiment that sits well with the bigoted right wing of the republican party. Fortunately attitudes and demographics are changing and moving away from them.
unrepentant said:
All morons like Trump and Ted Cruz do is seek to whip up anti immigrant racist sentiment ...
How do morons build and sustain multi-billion dollar businesses? Why would Cruz be racist against fellow hispanics? If the demographic of the USA continues to change, and eventually becomes more Mexican than anglo-saxon, would that be a positive in your opinion?
The Don of Croy said:
How do morons build and sustain multi-billion dollar businesses? Why would Cruz be racist against fellow hispanics?
If the demographic of the USA continues to change, and eventually becomes more Mexican than anglo-saxon, would that be a positive in your opinion?
Well, Trump inherited a huge property empire from his father and subsequently went bust a couple of times... Cruz is only half hispanic and as a Canadian born person is less of an American than the current president whose legitimacy he sought to question.If the demographic of the USA continues to change, and eventually becomes more Mexican than anglo-saxon, would that be a positive in your opinion?
Native Americans were not white or Christian and if the demographic continues to change that's just fine. This country has always been a melting pot and was built on immigration. It's not the sole domain of straight white Christians, whatever Mike Huckabee may think.
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