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toohangry said:
Your disclaimer is a meaningless cloak that you're hoping allows you to hide behind your true thoughts. It doesn't wash with anyone I'm afraid, as we're all over the age of 7.
Excuse me, did you really just describe NOT shooting civilians and bombing refugees as righteous??!
Why do you have to go to ludicrous extremes, such as asking me to house people, to try and justify your insane rants? Let's still talk about your views, if that's ok, before moving onto mine as mine are pretty boring in comparison.
Some Qs:
How many would need to be shot before they got the message?
What if the boat was full of white female refugees, would you want them shelled too?
Who are you going to ask to kill these innocent civilians?
1) well, if you used pinewood or the like, nobody would actually get shot.Excuse me, did you really just describe NOT shooting civilians and bombing refugees as righteous??!
Why do you have to go to ludicrous extremes, such as asking me to house people, to try and justify your insane rants? Let's still talk about your views, if that's ok, before moving onto mine as mine are pretty boring in comparison.
Some Qs:
How many would need to be shot before they got the message?
What if the boat was full of white female refugees, would you want them shelled too?
Who are you going to ask to kill these innocent civilians?
the point is here the message has to be hard, the reality does not need to match it.
2) see above, nobody actually get's shot.
3) same again.
Jesus, are you lot really that short on imagination?
like I said before, what is your solution?
toohangry said:
AJS- said:
It washes with me. It's pretty clear that what he said was an extreme logical conclusion of the idea that disincentives will discourage migrants. He wasn't saying that is what we should actually do.
Do you disagree with the idea of providing a disincentive?
It's pretty clear how he feels about people, regardless of whether he would actually pull the trigger. Do you disagree with the idea of providing a disincentive?
Of course I don't disagree with providing a disincentive. As ever, there are more acceptable means that shooting and shelling civilians though. Lack of benefits and/or bigger restrictions on eligibility to work would probably do it.
HTH.
Scuffers said:
like I said before, what is your solution?
We could send them a selection of your posts in this and other threads. Perhaps they might be put off at the prospect of coming to a place where an intolerant racist idiot lives. On the other hand, they might conclude that if a prejudiced moron like you can make a living here, then anyone can, so it's time to head over here.
It's a difficult problem.
Timmy40 said:
What really needs to happen is the RN needs to patrol the Med stopping/turning back/sinking the boats bringing the people into Europe in the first place. Until people are stopped from making the crossing nothing can be done.
And we're back to genuinely slaughtering civilians. Greg66 said:
Timmy40 said:
What really needs to happen is the RN needs to patrol the Med stopping/turning back/sinking the boats bringing the people into Europe in the first place. Until people are stopped from making the crossing nothing can be done.
And we're back to genuinely slaughtering civilians. Hello, employee of a fencing manufacturer here. /Waves.
Anti-climb mesh is to do with gaps between the line and cross wires. You can't get fingers/toes in the gaps. Tops are normally electrified or concertina barbed to stop people going over the top. Not a great deal you can do against ladders though.
Its not designed to be fix and forget and should be used with other systems, such as perimeter detection and actual guards.
These panels can take an eye-watering level of punishment, part of the testing for ours involves firing numerous RPGs at it.
Anti-climb mesh is to do with gaps between the line and cross wires. You can't get fingers/toes in the gaps. Tops are normally electrified or concertina barbed to stop people going over the top. Not a great deal you can do against ladders though.
Its not designed to be fix and forget and should be used with other systems, such as perimeter detection and actual guards.
These panels can take an eye-watering level of punishment, part of the testing for ours involves firing numerous RPGs at it.
Greg66 said:
Scuffers said:
like I said before, what is your solution?
We could send them a selection of your posts in this and other threads. Perhaps they might be put off at the prospect of coming to a place where an intolerant racist idiot lives. On the other hand, they might conclude that if a prejudiced moron like you can make a living here, then anyone can, so it's time to head over here.
It's a difficult problem.
KarlMac said:
Hello, employee of a fencing manufacturer here. /Waves.
Anti-climb mesh is to do with gaps between the line and cross wires. You can't get fingers/toes in the gaps. Tops are normally electrified or concertina barbed to stop people going over the top. Not a great deal you can do against ladders though.
Its not designed to be fix and forget and should be used with other systems, such as perimeter detection and actual guards.
These panels can take an eye-watering level of punishment, part of the testing for ours involves firing numerous RPGs at it.
Interesting. In the pictures of the NBA in action, I can't see any signs of electrification or concertina wire and at only 9ft I don't know if the anti-climb mesh would do anything to stop me climbing over. Possibly it's deployment in France will include some of these additional features.Anti-climb mesh is to do with gaps between the line and cross wires. You can't get fingers/toes in the gaps. Tops are normally electrified or concertina barbed to stop people going over the top. Not a great deal you can do against ladders though.
Its not designed to be fix and forget and should be used with other systems, such as perimeter detection and actual guards.
These panels can take an eye-watering level of punishment, part of the testing for ours involves firing numerous RPGs at it.
toohangry said:
What if the boat was full of white female refugees, would you want them shelled too?
Greg66 said:
Timmy40 said:
Did I say kill anybody? No I didn't. Stop being a prat. The boats can and should be sunk to prevent the trade.
Apologies. In the context of this thread, you appeared to be setting out escalating alternative strategies (read back and you'll see what I mean). The RN routinely stop and search vessels on anti smuggling operations so they have the kit and the knowhow.
Edited by Timmy40 on Wednesday 1st July 10:40
Rude-boy said:
toohangry said:
What if the boat was full of white female refugees, would you want them shelled too?
Timmy40 said:
Er lets see, you stop the boat, something the RN routinely do, offload the passengers, sink the boat, repatriate the passengers. Not hard.
Repatriate them WHERE? The same goes for deporting them AFTER they have arrived. They aren't carrying Passports or ID. so where are you going to deport them too - back to France so they can try again?We're an island FFS. Controlling our borders, who enters and who leaves should not be rocket science.
TEKNOPUG said:
Timmy40 said:
Er lets see, you stop the boat, something the RN routinely do, offload the passengers, sink the boat, repatriate the passengers. Not hard.
Repatriate them WHERE? The same goes for deporting them AFTER they have arrived. They aren't carrying Passports or ID. so where are you going to deport them too - back to France so they can try again?We're an island FFS. Controlling our borders, who enters and who leaves should not be rocket science.
TEKNOPUG said:
Timmy40 said:
Er lets see, you stop the boat, something the RN routinely do, offload the passengers, sink the boat, repatriate the passengers. Not hard.
Repatriate them WHERE? The same goes for deporting them AFTER they have arrived. They aren't carrying Passports or ID. so where are you going to deport them too - back to France so they can try again?We're an island FFS. Controlling our borders, who enters and who leaves should not be rocket science.
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