The National Barrier Asset

[Beati Dogu]

We could start a unicorn breeding & money tree plantation program in these countries too. Then they wouldn't need to come here at all!

[Scuffers]

in a lot of respects it would have been better if Africa had remained a group of colonies under British/Dutch/French/Spanish control....

(I await the howls of protest from the usual suspects)

[RobGT81]

anonymous said:

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fk me why did no one else think of that, it will work surely! :-/

All these people invading our country, what do they think will happen? They have managed to destroy their own countries because they are incapable of sorting their st out. If they all come here and bleed the resources dry, the same is going to happen. The freedom this country has, wasn't given to us for free.

[CaptainSlow]

anonymous said:

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This dislusional claptrap is why this country is stuffed.

[TTwiggy]

The thing that I find interesting is that this forum, populated as it is by 'go-getting, sucessful types' generally promotes self-interest and a view that life is tough and the tough will do whatever thay have to do in order to better themselves and provide a better quality of life for their families. The 'layabout' unemplyed are vilified and there's definitely a sense that hard work and industry are to be applauded.

Well, here you have a bunch of people willing to pack themselves into unseaworthy vessels in order to cross dangerous seas, endure awful conditions and then defy death once again by clinging onto the underside of a lorry, risking life, limb and liberty just for the chance to improve their situation (and no, our 'generous' £70 per week jobseekers is not what they're after). Surely these are the sort of people we need in order to maintain our position as a world leader? Why should the French, or anybody else, get to keep them?

[Timmy40]

Scuffers said:

in a lot of respects it would have been better if Africa had remained a group of colonies under British/Dutch/French/Spanish control....

(I await the howls of protest from the usual suspects)

Of course it would. The problem with Africa was they needed about 300 years of colonisation but only had about 70. The UK was part of the Roman Empire for 450 years and it takes that long to ingrain civilisation.

It may not be fashionable to say it, but it's true, they local population were and are totally unable to run the assets they inherited post colonialisation.

Given the mess it is, the best option though is to contain Africa. Allocating X thousand immigrants per annum to each European country will just encourage the trade crossing the Med. It would be like paying off the pirates in Somalia, what has to happen is what happened there. Control the sea ways.

[TTwiggy]

Timmy40 said:

Control the sea ways.

I'm guessing you don't have a lot of experience in naval matters?

[Timmy40]

TTwiggy said:

Timmy40 said:

Control the sea ways.

I'm guessing you don't have a lot of experience in naval matters?

Why? The RN polices the Carribean, the Seas around the UK too. Which are much more challenging than policing a small, narrow ( in relative terms ) are of the Med.

[Cheese Mechanic]

CaptainSlow said:

anonymous said:

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This dislusional claptrap is why this country is stuffed.

Yup, the delusional handwringer does not want to take up their Aussie citizenship, I wish to hell it would ,go pollute somebody else's pond.

[CaptainSlow]

Cheese Mechanic said:

Yup, the delusional handwringer does not want to take up their Aussie citizenship, I wish to hell it would ,go pollute somebody else's pond.

I suspect is a few years, when the UK is shot, there may be a change of mind and the Aussie passport application will be in the post.

[TTwiggy]

Timmy40 said:

TTwiggy said:

Timmy40 said:

Control the sea ways.

I'm guessing you don't have a lot of experience in naval matters?

Why? The RN polices the Carribean, the Seas around the UK too. Which are much more challenging than policing a small, narrow ( in relative terms ) are of the Med.

It doesn't police it for every lilo and inflatable with an outboard. Have you sailed the Med? I have; it may look quite small on a map, but when you're out in the offing it's really quite big.

[Scuffers]

Timmy40 said:

TTwiggy said:

Timmy40 said:

Control the sea ways.

I'm guessing you don't have a lot of experience in naval matters?

Why? The RN polices the Carribean, the Seas around the UK too. Which are much more challenging than policing a small, narrow ( in relative terms ) are of the Med.

nothing like the same problem...

the pirate issue is being resolved in large parts down to private 'mercenaries' being hired to 'ride' on commercial shipping (with several blind eye's being turned).

[Timmy40]

TTwiggy said:

Timmy40 said:

TTwiggy said:

Timmy40 said:

Control the sea ways.

I'm guessing you don't have a lot of experience in naval matters?

Why? The RN polices the Carribean, the Seas around the UK too. Which are much more challenging than policing a small, narrow ( in relative terms ) are of the Med.

It doesn't police it for every lilo and inflatable with an outboard. Have you sailed the Med? I have; it may look quite small on a map, but when you're out in the offing it's really quite big.

The RN are equipped with fast patrol boats and helicopters, if they can patrol other seas they can do the same for a small area of the med with ease.

You think they are using lilo's? They are using fishing boat capable of cramming several hundred people into. What's your idea, do nothing? That worked really well with the Somali pirates didn't it. NOT.

[TTwiggy]

Timmy40 said:

The RN are equipped with fast patrol boats and helicopters, if they can patrol other seas they can do the same for a small area of the med with ease.

You think they are using lilo's? They are using fishing boat capable of cramming several hundred people into. What's your idea, do nothing? That worked really well with the Somali pirates didn't it. NOT.

No, I don't think they are using lilos, that was an attempt at levity. They are however using very small vessels, offering limited targets for radar, in miles of open water, often at night with no running lights and of course no AIS. It would cost far more to 'police' this than it does to process them once they've arrived here. The situation with the Somali pirates is different, because the 'policing' of them is often privately funded, and piracy is a rather different crime.

Edited it add: do you understand the range of a fast patrol boat? Where do you expect to moor them?

I spent five years in the Andrew as a Rupert. I know what the Med looks like from the bridge of a warship. You are asking for the impossible (IMHO).

[KarlMac]

ManFromDelmonte said:

trashbat said:

I'm more puzzled by the story in the OP which says that the fence manufacturer is secret, and the fence is kept in a secret location.

I thought the same and after abbot 2 minutes research, I found the manufacturer and a press release stating how many KM of fencing the Home Office had ordered. I think there is a bit of sensationalism going on to make it seem more mysterious than it is.

More likely story is that they've lost the records of where they bought it from and where they left it

[anonymous-user]

Scuffers said:

Yes, really funny that...

let's just throw open the borders and welcome them all here why don't we?

how long before we have emptied Africa of people all to come and live here?

Just a couple of questions:

1) where do you propose they all live (we already have a housing crisis)
2) who is going to pay for it all (bearing in mind the current deficit an national debt)?

Look, this is not rocket science, Australia have shown the way already, or are you going to call them intolerant racist idiots too?

in summary, STFU.

Brilliant.

You've gone from

"Here's an idea: indiscriminately execute illegal immigrants and send the pictures back home pour encourager les autres"

to

"OK, that was just an idea. Let's not really properly kill them. Let's pretend to. Like a propaganda film, which we send to them back home. They will never work out that's it's pretend. And we will support the British film industry at Pinewood into the deal"

to

"Fuuuuccckkk! The WHOLE OF BLACK AFRICA IS COMING TO TAKE OUR HOMES AND WOMEN! MAN THE BARRICADES!"

I predict you will shortly be circling back to your initial proposal, and concluding that it was actually a pretty good idea after all.

[Scuffers]

Greg66 said:

Brilliant.

yes, another cracking post from Greg!

if you want parallels, look at the pirate issue, we pissed about for a couple of years whilst hundreds of ships got taken, millions paid out, many lives lost to what happens now, with basically private mercenaries on commercial shipping shooting back at said pirates.

Suffice to say, the problem is somewhat more contained now! (no protected vessel has been taken).

Yes, I am sure your going to say what about the poor pirates who get shot?

Look, unless you take a direct, clear, unequivocal stand and back it up with actions, the problem is not going to go away.

[TTwiggy]

Why are people trying to draw parallels with the Somali pirate issue? That's like comparing a bad back with cancer.

[Timmy40]

TTwiggy said:

Timmy40 said:

The RN are equipped with fast patrol boats and helicopters, if they can patrol other seas they can do the same for a small area of the med with ease.

You think they are using lilo's? They are using fishing boat capable of cramming several hundred people into. What's your idea, do nothing? That worked really well with the Somali pirates didn't it. NOT.

No, I don't think they are using lilos, that was an attempt at levity. They are however using very small vessels, offering limited targets for radar, in miles of open water, often at night with no running lights and of course no AIS. It would cost far more to 'police' this than it does to process them once they've arrived here. The situation with the Somali pirates is different, because the 'policing' of them is often privately funded, and piracy is a rather different crime.

Edited it add: do you understand the range of a fast patrol boat? Where do you expect to moor them?

I spent five years in the Andrew as a Rupert. I know what the Med looks like from the bridge of a warship. You are asking for the impossible (IMHO).

Then IMO we're stuffed because the more get to Europe the more will want to come and the current trickle will become a flood.

[Scuffers]

TTwiggy said:

Why are people trying to draw parallels with the Somali pirate issue? That's like comparing a bad back with cancer.

because it has the same political parallels.

years of political waffle and hand wringing, only to have to be sorted by private mercs.