Time to dump France

[HD Adam]

technodup said:

How hard can it be to stop people jumping onto lorries? We have heat detectors, motion detectors, electric fences, tasers, automatic weapons and who knows what else. Or go the other way and send immigration officials or charities to explain to the chancers the other countries to which they can go.

It would be very easy for the French.

Roll the trucks into a secure area, search every truck by whatever means and then turf the people out of the secure area.

But they don't want to. They have to be "seen" to be trying something but are quite happy for the economic migrants to make their way to the UK.

Same for the UK.

Everything gets unloaded in the secure area, search by whatever means, round up the economic migrants and return them to France.
It's not far. You could use WWII type landing craft and run them up the beach in Calais.

There are existing laws already in place. We don't have to accept "asylum seekers" if they haven't already claimed it in the first safe country they entered and we certainly don't have to accept economic migrants with no passports or I.D.

But there's no political will to do this.

I should imagine that soon, seeing as the French, Italians Greeks or Spaniards cannot or will not control their borders, they will cotton on and grant them all French passports which means they could enter the UK legally.

Edited by HD Adam on Wednesday 1st July 02:25

[iambeowulf]

Unload every truck. Then reload every truck.



Riiiggght.

It takes one forklift driver a minimum of 20 minutes (I'm being generous here) to unstrap, and unload a curtainsider articulated truck. You have to work both sides to balance the loads, which means you need space on both sides to get in to unload (say min another trucks width, but that's tight) Then he has to reload.
Not taking into account how dangerous it is if there is anyone inside.

Articulated trucks with no curtains on the side (rear doors only) take even longer to unload and will need a loading bay plus space to put its pallets.

So that's a minimum of 40 minutes to unload and reload. Plus the space taken up by a 40 foot truck and it's 20 odd pallets of goods. Then you have double decker articulated trucks...
Some loads can't be unloaded; waste paper with "walking floors" for example.

So. Not going to happen. Ever.

Edited by iambeowulf on Wednesday 1st July 04:30

[AJS-]

It's time we actually got serious about stopping this, and the only way I can see to do that is by returning anyone caught entering illegally and deporting those already here, and imposing hefty fines on those caught employing illegal migrants.

It's not rocket science, but like many of the things we seem to mess up it would actually require a bit of resolve.

[williamp]

Just a shame they cannot claim asylum in france. Anyone know the reason why they can only do this in Uk?

[elster]

iambeowulf said:

Unload every truck. Then reload every truck.



Riiiggght.

It takes one forklift driver a minimum of 20 minutes (I'm being generous here) to unstrap, and unload a curtainsider articulated truck. You have to work both sides to balance the loads, which means you need space on both sides to get in to unload (say min another trucks width, but that's tight) Then he has to reload.
Not taking into account how dangerous it is if there is anyone inside.

Articulated trucks with no curtains on the side (rear doors only) take even longer to unload and will need a loading bay plus space to put its pallets.

So that's a minimum of 40 minutes to unload and reload. Plus the space taken up by a 40 foot truck and it's 20 odd pallets of goods. Then you have double decker articulated trucks...
Some loads can't be unloaded; waste paper with "walking floors" for example.

So. Not going to happen. Ever.

Edited by iambeowulf on Wednesday 1st July 04:30

Keep down on the sensible comments.

Everyone will love the Billions extra everything will cost.

[iambeowulf]

elster said:

Keep down on the sensible comments.

Everyone will love the Billions extra everything will cost.

It's ok. We could have a referendum and just not pay it back.

[Esseesse]

technodup said:

The US/Mexico border is 2000 miles long, I can understand it's impossible to police it all, all the time. We have two 25ft tunnels to monitor and we can't stop them.

Might you get shot if you try to make it across the border from Mexico in to the US?

[neelyp]

xjsdriver said:

technodup said:

Haven't read the link but the OP has a point. We're an small island just off mainland Europe. Mainland Europe has many countries in which to seek work or asylum.

How hard can it be to stop people jumping onto lorries? We have heat detectors, motion detectors, electric fences, tasers, automatic weapons and who knows what else. Or go the other way and send immigration officials or charities to explain to the chancers the other countries to which they can go.

The US/Mexico border is 2000 miles long, I can understand it's impossible to police it all, all the time. We have two 25ft tunnels to monitor and we can't stop them.

I was of the understanding that the tunnels were about 25 miles long, not 25 ft (which I assume is feet).

Diameter you 'tard.
Also there are three 25ft tunnels to guard.

[Puggit]

technodup said:

The US/Mexico border is 2000 miles long, I can understand it's impossible to police it all, all the time. We have two 25ft tunnels to monitor and we can't stop them.

We can stop them - it's relatively easy as you've already described.

We don't stop them because there isn't the political will to stop them, it's as simple as that.

Checking every lorry thoroughly is not beyond us - we are choosing not to do it.

[gruffalo]

Why not just invade them again?

Land troops at 8am full capitulation by lunch if the past is anything to go by, no one need hurt, first sign of a tank and you would her the sound of rifles hitting the floor from Dover.

[Zod]

This thread has given me a good laugh to start the day. It's got the usual reactionary idiots going.

[DMN]

Agreed, well done guys.

[durbster]

Puggit said:

We can stop them - it's relatively easy as you've already described.

We don't stop them because there isn't the political will to stop them, it's as simple as that.

Checking every lorry thoroughly is not beyond us - we are choosing not to do it.

Yep, we could stop them and we are choosing not to do it.

Because it would be a stupid waste of time, money and resources.

Can you imagine how much it would cost to seal our borders? The disruption to the borders and transport network, the cost of delayed deliveries and trade, not to mention the enormous numbers of staff required etc.

It'd be a sum vastly greater than the negligible cost of dealing with them being here. It simply isn't a big enough problem to throw limitless resources at.

[blindswelledrat]

@ this thread.

[anonymous-user]

blindswelledrat said:

@ this thread.

His attempt be the internet hard man whilst simultaneously saying that the Daily Mail is the only paper to tell the truth is genuinely a new high for this forum.

I actually laughed, out loud, whilst sat on my own.

Normally only Count Arthur Strong can do that.

[blindswelledrat]

desolate said:

His attempt be the internet hard man whilst simultaneously saying that the Daily Mail is the only paper to tell the truth is genuinely a new high for this forum.

I actually laughed, out loud, whilst sat on my own.

I made a really gay high-pitched surprise-laugh that sounded a bit like a small girl squealing. I'd never heard that noise from me before.

[BoRED S2upid]

iambeowulf said:

Unload every truck. Then reload every truck.



Riiiggght.

It takes one forklift driver a minimum of 20 minutes (I'm being generous here) to unstrap, and unload a curtainsider articulated truck. You have to work both sides to balance the loads, which means you need space on both sides to get in to unload (say min another trucks width, but that's tight) Then he has to reload.
Not taking into account how dangerous it is if there is anyone inside.

Articulated trucks with no curtains on the side (rear doors only) take even longer to unload and will need a loading bay plus space to put its pallets.

So that's a minimum of 40 minutes to unload and reload. Plus the space taken up by a 40 foot truck and it's 20 odd pallets of goods. Then you have double decker articulated trucks...
Some loads can't be unloaded; waste paper with "walking floors" for example.

So. Not going to happen. Ever.

Edited by iambeowulf on Wednesday 1st July 04:30

Send in the dogs to sniff them out.

[TTwiggy]

Zod said:

This thread has given me a good laugh to start the day. It's got the usual reactionary idiots going.

When I read the OP last night I actually thought that NP&E had achieved sentience. It contained everything: anti-imigrants, anti-muslims, hatred of the French, a link to the Daily Mail and a misplaced certainty that we are about to leave the EU. When the bombs start dropping, like that scene in the original Terminator films, we can trace it all back to here.

[schmunk]

gruffalo said:

Why not just invade them again?

Land troops at 8am full capitulation by lunch if the past is anything to go by, no one need hurt, first sign of a tank and you would her the sound of rifles hitting the floor from Dover.

How does that help, it'd just put our border 600 miles closer to the immigrants...

[eharding]

TTwiggy said:

Zod said:

This thread has given me a good laugh to start the day. It's got the usual reactionary idiots going.

When I read the OP last night I actually thought that NP&E had achieved sentience. It contained everything: anti-imigrants, anti-muslims, hatred of the French, a link to the Daily Mail and a misplaced certainty that we are about to leave the EU. When the bombs start dropping, like that scene in the original Terminator films, we can trace it all back to here.

You can almost hear Sarah Connor's voice saying "...and the first sign that the machines had taken control, although we didn't realise it at the time, was when PHnet itself became self aware, and as the first act of vengeance made all of the humans endlessly log in again, every 10 sodding minutes, even if they had clicked 'Remember Me'...."