BBC to axe 1000 jobs. Wheels are comming off....

BBC to axe 1000 jobs. Wheels are comming off....

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Einion Yrth

19,575 posts

244 months

Thursday 2nd July 2015
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Derek Smith said:
The usual pro BBC guff.
You watch it, you like it, you fund it; I don't watch it, I don't want it and I don't want to fund it. I might occasionally want to watch something on a competitor channel as it is broadcast though.

anonymous-user

54 months

Thursday 2nd July 2015
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TTwiggy said:
If EVO were broadcast over the airwaves you would require a licence to receive the broadcast. And you'd have to pay for it. I pay for a radio licence for my boat (and had to pass a test too!).
confused you need a TV license/BBC Tax to watch TV online not just 'over the airwaves'. Presumably your boat license is for 2 way VHF, ie you're paying for the right to use the spectrum; which has more in similarity with being the broadcaster not one of its reluctant customers.

Eric Mc

122,029 posts

265 months

Thursday 2nd July 2015
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The death of the BBC will hasten the end of the UK.

Both events are probably inevitable anyway it seems.

We don't have many institutions left in the country that, on the whole, pull the nation together for the great occasions.
With the BBC gone or reduced to a rump niche broadcaster - just like the rest of them - what is left to unify the nation?

At the moment I am seeing so many forces at work that are gradually destroying this country. This would be another nail in the coffin.

Vaud

50,482 posts

155 months

Thursday 2nd July 2015
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AJL308 said:
Me too. Ultimately though it will no difference in reality; if you can be pursued for the fee as a civil debt and don't pay then you can still get locked up for contempt.
And how often does that happen?

loafer123

15,440 posts

215 months

Thursday 2nd July 2015
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I don't want to see the end of the BBC, but I would be content to see it get back to it's original remit, rather than trying to directly compete with the commercial broadcasters.

If it won't do that, it will have to become a commercial broadcaster itself, without the licence fee.

51mes

1,500 posts

200 months

Thursday 2nd July 2015
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Of course all these people don't watch live TV..

That doesnt stop them watching BBC via Iplayer just after the programme has finished, for free and legally.

How long before that little loophole gets closed and iPlayer goes subscription only.

S.

AJL308

6,390 posts

156 months

Thursday 2nd July 2015
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Challo said:
Without the licence fee they will have no way to fund themselves without advertising and will revert to any other tv station/channel currently available free to air or subscription. Im sure its not 'unexpected' and could be forecast years ago but its just something included in the statement to justify the big cuts.
I don't have a problem with the BBC being state funded, to be honest. I do have a problem with the notion of a licence fee though and all that entails.

The real problem with a state funded broadcaster as the BBC is currently constituted is that it is far, far to large. It is absolutely massive and is way bigger than anything we actually need. Just considering the TV channels; there are four plus News 24. What is the reasoning as to why BBC 3 and BBC 4 are needed? Surely they are just doing what BBC 1 and BBC 2 are supposed to do? One as a general entertainment channel and the other a more serious arts/drama/science channel. To be fair, BBC 4 is very good but I'm not sure it is different enough from BBC 2. BBC 3 is utter wall-to-wall drivel with virtually zero redeeming features and it can't be put out to pasture soon enough, quite honestly.

Over those four channels where is the stuff the BBC used to do really well? A prime example would be a proper, high quality, live music show. Some of the best things shown on the BBC these days are repeats of the Old Grey Whistle Test from the 1970's. That was never an expensive show to make (and it shows) but in terms of "quality" it was at the very top. Why is it not still going? It must be something which would be staggeringly cheap to make today. No audience, no fancy sets - just a beardy bloke introducing some bands.




anonymous-user

54 months

Thursday 2nd July 2015
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Eric Mc said:
The death of the BBC will hasten the end of the UK.
I'll give you that. It is a common cultural reference point. But like you say the demise of both is probably inevitable at some point anyway.

AJL308

6,390 posts

156 months

Thursday 2nd July 2015
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Derek Smith said:
Without the BBC life in the UK will be much the poorer. BBC 4 is brilliant.
A valid point. Why is BBC 4 actually needed though? Surely the job it is doing is what BBC 2 is supposed to be for? Likewise, BBC 3 is a very much down-market BBC 1 and has almost no reason to exist, in my opinion. All this duplication is unnecessary and seems to exist for the purpose of creating jobs.

What the BBC needs is a channel more akin to Sky Arts as the BBC seems to be lacking in something of that nature.

Eric Mc

122,029 posts

265 months

Thursday 2nd July 2015
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fblm said:
Eric Mc said:
The death of the BBC will hasten the end of the UK.
I'll give you that. It is a common cultural reference point. But like you say the demise of both is probably inevitable at some point anyway.
Why accept it though?

TTwiggy

11,538 posts

204 months

Thursday 2nd July 2015
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Einion Yrth said:
Derek Smith said:
The usual pro BBC guff.
You watch it, you like it, you fund it; I don't watch it, I don't want it and I don't want to fund it. I might occasionally want to watch something on a competitor channel as it is broadcast though.
I don't have kids in school, have never called the police, fire brigade or an ambulance. I live in a development with its own refuse collection I have also never been to hospital. I pay for all these things though.

Eric Mc

122,029 posts

265 months

Thursday 2nd July 2015
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AJL308 said:
Derek Smith said:
Without the BBC life in the UK will be much the poorer. BBC 4 is brilliant.
A valid point. Why is BBC 4 actually needed though? Surely the job it is doing is what BBC 2 is supposed to be for? Likewise, BBC 3 is a very much down-market BBC 1 and has almost no reason to exist, in my opinion. All this duplication is unnecessary and seems to exist for the purpose of creating jobs.

What the BBC needs is a channel more akin to Sky Arts as the BBC seems to be lacking in something of that nature.
There are far too many BBC TV channels. BBC 3 needed to go. BBC 4 should be what it should always have been BBC2.

The organsation does need a damn good shake up. Maybe this is the moment when the realisation dawned.

AJL308

6,390 posts

156 months

Thursday 2nd July 2015
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51mes said:
Of course all these people don't watch live TV..

How long before that little loophole gets closed and iPlayer goes subscription only.

S.
It won't because no one would use it.

It will simply be brought within the remit of the TV tax.

Exige77

6,518 posts

191 months

Thursday 2nd July 2015
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AJL308 said:
Challo said:
Without the licence fee they will have no way to fund themselves without advertising and will revert to any other tv station/channel currently available free to air or subscription. Im sure its not 'unexpected' and could be forecast years ago but its just something included in the statement to justify the big cuts.
I don't have a problem with the BBC being state funded, to be honest. I do have a problem with the notion of a licence fee though and all that entails.

The real problem with a state funded broadcaster as the BBC is currently constituted is that it is far, far to large. It is absolutely massive and is way bigger than anything we actually need. Just considering the TV channels; there are four plus News 24. What is the reasoning as to why BBC 3 and BBC 4 are needed? Surely they are just doing what BBC 1 and BBC 2 are supposed to do? One as a general entertainment channel and the other a more serious arts/drama/science channel. To be fair, BBC 4 is very good but I'm not sure it is different enough from BBC 2. BBC 3 is utter wall-to-wall drivel with virtually zero redeeming features and it can't be put out to pasture soon enough, quite honestly.

Over those four channels where is the stuff the BBC used to do really well? A prime example would be a proper, high quality, live music show. Some of the best things shown on the BBC these days are repeats of the Old Grey Whistle Test from the 1970's. That was never an expensive show to make (and it shows) but in terms of "quality" it was at the very top. Why is it not still going? It must be something which would be staggeringly cheap to make today. No audience, no fancy sets - just a beardy bloke introducing some bands.

The Audience has changed, more choice now. No one would watch the old Grey Whistle test unless Jeremy Kyle grew a beard.

anonymous-user

54 months

Thursday 2nd July 2015
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Eric Mc said:
fblm said:
Eric Mc said:
The death of the BBC will hasten the end of the UK.
I'll give you that. It is a common cultural reference point. But like you say the demise of both is probably inevitable at some point anyway.
Why accept it though?
Because the bizarre mix of 'celebrity' worship, ridiculous 'reality' nonsense, dumbed down slightly lefty news and obsequious coverage of all things vaguely royal is not a common culture I really want to be a part of.

chris watton

22,477 posts

260 months

Thursday 2nd July 2015
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AJL308 said:
Derek Smith said:
Without the BBC life in the UK will be much the poorer. BBC 4 is brilliant.
A valid point.
I cannot agree. We don't watch BBC content, nor listen to it, and our lives are certainly not all the poorer for it - yet we still have to pay for the crap!

The fee is as regressive as it gets, too - you pay the same whether you have £6k per year income or £600k! What's the difference between that and the Poll Tax?

It seems (some on the) the left love it, and they always seem to expect others to pay for what they like, no matter what.

If it is as great as some suggest, as others have said countless times before, the BBC would have no issues if it were subscription based, thus having a level playing field for all broadcasters.

I would not subscribe, as it have very little to offer us, but am sure plenty of others would. smile

Eric Mc

122,029 posts

265 months

Thursday 2nd July 2015
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fblm said:
Eric Mc said:
fblm said:
Eric Mc said:
The death of the BBC will hasten the end of the UK.
I'll give you that. It is a common cultural reference point. But like you say the demise of both is probably inevitable at some point anyway.
Why accept it though?
Because the bizarre mix of 'celebrity' worship, ridiculous 'reality' nonsense, dumbed down slightly lefty news and obsequious coverage of all things vaguely royal is not a common culture I really want to be a part of.
Is that unique to the BBC?

I watch the BBC a lot and manage to avoid the vast bulk of that anyway so it is a non-issue to me. How come you can't avoid it?


AJL308

6,390 posts

156 months

Thursday 2nd July 2015
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Exige77 said:
The Audience has changed, more choice now. No one would watch the old Grey Whistle test unless Jeremy Kyle grew a beard.
No one would watch a well produced live music show? Sorry but I don't accept that for a second.

Eric Mc

122,029 posts

265 months

Thursday 2nd July 2015
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chris watton said:
I cannot agree. We don't watch BBC content, nor listen to it, and our lives are certainly not all the poorer for it - yet we still have to pay for the crap!

The fee is as regressive as it gets, too - you pay the same whether you have £6k per year income or £600k! What's the difference between that and the Poll Tax?

It seems (some on the) the left love it, and they always seem to expect others to pay for what they like, no matter what.

If it is as great as some suggest, as others have said countless times before, the BBC would have no issues if it were subscription based, thus having a level playing field for all broadcasters.

I would not subscribe, as it have very little to offer us, but am sure plenty of others would. smile
And I watch and listen to BBC content and my life is a lot richer for it.

I do think the BBC is a bit special and its willful destruction by successive governments is going to be marked as a great loss to the country - when it eventually does go.

turbobloke

103,953 posts

260 months

Thursday 2nd July 2015
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Eric Mc said:
fblm said:
Eric Mc said:
fblm said:
Eric Mc said:
The death of the BBC will hasten the end of the UK.
I'll give you that. It is a common cultural reference point. But like you say the demise of both is probably inevitable at some point anyway.
Why accept it though?
Because the bizarre mix of 'celebrity' worship, ridiculous 'reality' nonsense, dumbed down slightly lefty news and obsequious coverage of all things vaguely royal is not a common culture I really want to be a part of.
Is that unique to the BBC?

I watch the BBC a lot and manage to avoid the vast bulk of that anyway so it is a non-issue to me. How come you can't avoid it?
Don't be too concerned, when the licence fee is abolished you can always use the money saved to subscribe to what's left of the BBC, and the BBC is way to the left wink