BBC licence fee poll.
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Just to spin this topic off in a slightly different direction....
If the BBC was forced to go commercial, how would they implement pay to view? Does the current freeview/top up TV technology cater for so many channels to be encrypted? Is it a case of just flicking an encryption switch or would there have to changes to freeview boxes and TVs?
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If the BBC was forced to go commercial, how would they implement pay to view? Does the current freeview/top up TV technology cater for so many channels to be encrypted? Is it a case of just flicking an encryption switch or would there have to changes to freeview boxes and TVs?
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ks.jjlynn27 said:
What? For me BBC is a very good value for money and yet since I could vote in the UK I've always Conservative. What is 'middle class TV'? I can't see how some very good programming, documentaries and OU collaboration springs to mind, would be made on purely commercial basis.
Look at the socioeconomic breakdown of the viewing figures for the kind of TV held up as emblematic of why we need the BBC.If the programmes would not be made on a commercial basis, it's because the people who want them don't think they are worth what they cost to make. Why should their entertainment be subsidised, especially when the subsidy tends to come from those who are less well off?
jjlynn27 said:
As for 'highly regressive tax', you do realize that we are talking about just over £10 a month. But it's the principle of it, isn't it?
The charge is the same for people to whom £10 is a lot and to whom it is nothing - hence regressive. Not a factor which worries me, but it surprises me that those most concerned about such matters are the BBC's biggest fans.AJS- said:
https://youtu.be/_H4E6Ja_cCM
And no, the irony of it being a BBC programme isn't entirely lost on me. But Antony Jay has said plenty on BBC bias.
Precisely!And no, the irony of it being a BBC programme isn't entirely lost on me. But Antony Jay has said plenty on BBC bias.
http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/assets/files/p...
extract from charter said:
4. The Public Purposes
The Public Purposes of the BBC are as follows—
(a) sustaining citizenship and civil society;
(b) promoting education and learning;
(c) stimulating creativity and cultural excellence;
(d) representing the UK, its nations, regions and communities;
(e) bringing the UK to the world and the world to the UK;
(f) in promoting its other purposes, helping to deliver to the public the benefit of
emerging communications technologies and services and, in addition, taking a
leading role in the switchover to digital television.
Apparently, 'education' has always been a part of the BBC's Royal Charter.The Public Purposes of the BBC are as follows—
(a) sustaining citizenship and civil society;
(b) promoting education and learning;
(c) stimulating creativity and cultural excellence;
(d) representing the UK, its nations, regions and communities;
(e) bringing the UK to the world and the world to the UK;
(f) in promoting its other purposes, helping to deliver to the public the benefit of
emerging communications technologies and services and, in addition, taking a
leading role in the switchover to digital television.
vonuber said:
You do realise that their idea of a top programme would be different to mine, and mine different to others?
The BBC has to cater for everyone, not just a bunch of miserable, myopic whinge bags on a car forum.
Exactly! One would think that wouldn't even need to be typed!The BBC has to cater for everyone, not just a bunch of miserable, myopic whinge bags on a car forum.
I like serial dramas, those I mentioned can sit at the top.
They are my preferred sort of show.
tangerine_sedge said:
If the BBC was forced to go commercial, how would they implement pay to view? Does the current freeview/top up TV technology cater for so many channels to be encrypted? Is it a case of just flicking an encryption switch or would there have to changes to freeview boxes and TVs?
No. Under Greg Dyke the BBC made sure that FreeView could not do that. To ensure the continuation of it's licence fee for as long as possible.tangerine_sedge said:
0000 said:
Yeah, discounted, like Ford sell a Focus for the best part of £30k discounted.
I do also pay for a phone line and broadband, but not with Sky. All they get is that monthly fee.
Just checked the sky website again, the current deal for new subscribers is £36.50 for 12 months then £45 a month after that. So according to the Sky website, yes you are getting a discounted deal.I do also pay for a phone line and broadband, but not with Sky. All they get is that monthly fee.
No one pays the sticker price.
Gaz. said:
It cannot be beyond the realms of technical wizardry to broadcast an encrypted channel & with a paywall on their websites.
It would have been easier to make FreeView an encrypted system using existing technology than it was to force it to be open. They like having one hand in our pockets and near-as-dammit fk all accountability. The sooner it dies the better.Gaz. said:
grumbledoak said:
No. Under Greg Dyke the BBC made sure that FreeView could not do that. To ensure the continuation of it's licence fee for as long as possible.
It cannot be beyond the realms of technical wizardry to broadcast an encrypted channel & with a paywall on their websites.otolith said:
jjlynn27 said:
What? For me BBC is a very good value for money and yet since I could vote in the UK I've always Conservative. What is 'middle class TV'? I can't see how some very good programming, documentaries and OU collaboration springs to mind, would be made on purely commercial basis.
Look at the socioeconomic breakdown of the viewing figures for the kind of TV held up as emblematic of why we need the BBC.otolith said:
If the programmes would not be made on a commercial basis, it's because the people who want them don't think they are worth what they cost to make. Why should their entertainment be subsidised, especially when the subsidy tends to come from those who are less well off?
Because BBC does make quite a few educational programmes. I personally think that they are more worth it than commercially viable coronation/neighbours/kardashians/big brother junk. jjlynn27 said:
As for 'highly regressive tax', you do realize that we are talking about just over £10 a month. But it's the principle of it, isn't it?
otolith said:
The charge is the same for people to whom £10 is a lot and to whom it is nothing - hence regressive. Not a factor which worries me, but it surprises me that those most concerned about such matters are the BBC's biggest fans.
It's not obligatory. You don't have to watch live TV. You keep going on about how BBC supporters are 'lefties' and people who worry about £10 a month and still are biggest supporters of BBC. You, on the other hand, who's not worried about £10 a month are moaning about it.
What I do find entertaining, that people living outside UK b
h and moan about it even though it doesn't affect them at all. bad company said:
I agree that the Beeb can be left wing biased BUT the quality of the programs are IMO vastly superior to others.
If we don't fund it properly we will lose the BBC. You don't know what you've got till its gone,
Eh, vastly superior? If we don't fund it properly we will lose the BBC. You don't know what you've got till its gone,
We must be living on different planets. I know what's on offer without the BBC, so I certainly know that I wouldn't/do not miss it - and that is a shame, because it did used to be very good almost across the board. But that is just my personal opinion of course, based on years/decades of watching it, and witnessing it slide, until I ceased watching it.
chris watton said:
bad company said:
I agree that the Beeb can be left wing biased BUT the quality of the programs are IMO vastly superior to others.
If we don't fund it properly we will lose the BBC. You don't know what you've got till its gone,
Eh, vastly superior? If we don't fund it properly we will lose the BBC. You don't know what you've got till its gone,
We must be living on different planets. I know what's on offer without the BBC, so I certainly know that I wouldn't/do not miss it - and that is a shame, because it did used to be very good almost across the board. But that is just my personal opinion of course, based on years/decades of watching it, and witnessing it slide, until I ceased watching it.
jjlynn27 said:
otolith said:
jjlynn27 said:
What? For me BBC is a very good value for money and yet since I could vote in the UK I've always Conservative. What is 'middle class TV'? I can't see how some very good programming, documentaries and OU collaboration springs to mind, would be made on purely commercial basis.
Look at the socioeconomic breakdown of the viewing figures for the kind of TV held up as emblematic of why we need the BBC.jjlynn27 said:
otolith said:
If the programmes would not be made on a commercial basis, it's because the people who want them don't think they are worth what they cost to make. Why should their entertainment be subsidised, especially when the subsidy tends to come from those who are less well off?
Because BBC does make quite a few educational programmes. I personally think that they are more worth it than commercially viable coronation/neighbours/kardashians/big brother junk. jjlynn27 said:
As for 'highly regressive tax', you do realize that we are talking about just over £10 a month. But it's the principle of it, isn't it?
jjlynn27 said:
It's not obligatory. You don't have to watch live TV.
You don't have to do lots of things, would you be happy being arbitrarily taxed for them?jjlynn27 said:
You keep going on about how BBC supporters are 'lefties' and people who worry about £10 a month and still are biggest supporters of BBC. You, on the other hand, who's not worried about £10 a month are moaning about it.
No, you have incorrectly parsed my argument. I said that I found it puzzling that so many on the left are happy with the BBC's funding model despite it being against their principles. That doesn't say anything about the proportion of BBC supporters who are left of centre, it says something about the proportion of those left of centre who support the way the BBC is funded. Cat, dog, four legs, logic, etc.eccles said:
MarshPhantom said:
Crush said:
GrumpyTwig said:
I stopped paying it a good year or two ago, don't miss it at all. Don't like a lot of British TV and really dislike just about every piece of BBC programming.
When visiting my parents and having the pleasure of live TV broadcasts, we realise just how bad British TV is.
We don't miss it at all. Far happier with the likes of Netflix
Do you watch anything on Netflix that was produced by the BBC?
otolith said:
Google the show or channel you are interested in and the phrases "abc1" and "c2de". There's loads of data, though it should be pretty self evident who is watching what.
I did, and what I've found doesn't support your statements, hence asking you for an alternative source. I would be even more grateful if you could provide any source that shows BBC viewers categorized as lefties or righties. Please tell me that you are not equating 'abc1' with right of centre, and c2de to the left. otolith said:
And that's fine - you won't mind putting your hand in your pocket and paying the actual market rate for producing it then, rather than expecting someone else to pay for it for you.
That would only work if everything is based on PPV model. It's not. For a good reason. You take a time and think of why not everything, on any channel is not based on PPV, but rather than subscription model. I'll make it even easier for you; When you pay your Netflix subscription, you are paying for production of the 'House of Cards' even if you are only paying for Netflix to watch 'Jersey Shore'. otolith said:
You don't have to do lots of things, would you be happy being arbitrarily taxed for them?
Eh? If I don't do things that I'm 'arbitrarily taxed for', I'm not taxed for them. otolith said:
No, you have incorrectly parsed my argument. I said that I found it puzzling that so many on the left are happy with the BBC's funding model despite it being against their principles. That doesn't say anything about the proportion of BBC supporters who are left of centre, it says something about the proportion of those left of centre who support the way the BBC is funded.
I can understand that you find a lot of things puzzling. What proportion of those left of the centre are supporting and are happy with the way that BBC is funded? Where are you getting this figures from?
Crush said:
eccles said:
MarshPhantom said:
Crush said:
GrumpyTwig said:
I stopped paying it a good year or two ago, don't miss it at all. Don't like a lot of British TV and really dislike just about every piece of BBC programming.
When visiting my parents and having the pleasure of live TV broadcasts, we realise just how bad British TV is.
We don't miss it at all. Far happier with the likes of Netflix
Do you watch anything on Netflix that was produced by the BBC?
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