English votes for English laws
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It's a mechanism to extend the same democratic autonomy the Scottish and to a lesser extent the Welsh enjoy to the English. It's done on the cheap, and a bit cobbled together, but it should be better than the status quo. The only reason the ScotNats don't like it is that it pisses on their ambitions to take their spite out on the English.
IroningMan said:
arp1 said:
So Scottish MPs will have no say in 'English' matters... Why then were non Scottish MPs voting in the Scotland bill? Someone is having their cake and eating it.
Why the inverted commas? Are you trying to imply that there's no such thing? Or are you just trying to cause offence?fluffnik said:
vanordinaire said:
Partly my point, we (the Scots) and the Irish and the Welsh all have two different layers of parasites, wouldn't it be fair if you had to have them too?
Scrap the UK and that issue vanishes for everyone. 
k the poorxjsdriver said:
If Carmicael gets jailed will your tune change?
(We arr') the People v Alistair Carmichael.The angry mob argue that Mr Carmichael, Scotland's only remaining Lib Dem MP, breached Section 106 of the Representation of the People Act 1983, which outlaws false statements in relation to the "personal character or conduct" of a candidate.
Doesn't take a QC to figure out the legal reasoning that will lead to automatic dismissal of the petition.
(Hint - Nicola Sturgeon wasn't a candidate!)
A few SNP or pro yes supporters here keep saying the Unions broken time to move on and end it.
I don't understand.
Surely IF something is broken you assess the damage and make the necessary repairs
It's no different to a marriage you need to work at it otherwise come any arguemebt dovorce ... Great that's expensive highly stressful exceptionally time consuming and really unless you've been ducking around or vice versa it should be recoverable.
Take a car exactly the same. I'm surpirised that someone who likes XJSs cars which rudely are known for poor reliability and breakdown etc your in the mindset of getting your hands dirty and making good fixing the damage. It's ironic that XJS(cockroach) has one a nice British Hnited Kindon XJS in his/her ownership.
I don't understand.
Surely IF something is broken you assess the damage and make the necessary repairs
It's no different to a marriage you need to work at it otherwise come any arguemebt dovorce ... Great that's expensive highly stressful exceptionally time consuming and really unless you've been ducking around or vice versa it should be recoverable.
Take a car exactly the same. I'm surpirised that someone who likes XJSs cars which rudely are known for poor reliability and breakdown etc your in the mindset of getting your hands dirty and making good fixing the damage. It's ironic that XJS(cockroach) has one a nice British Hnited Kindon XJS in his/her ownership.
Welshbeef said:
A few SNP or pro yes supporters here keep saying the Unions broken time to move on and end it.
Adolf Hitler said:
The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly and with unflagging attention. It must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over. Here, as so often in this world, persistence is the first and most important requirement for success.
arp1 said:
Even when a non devolved issue ripples down via Barnett Corunna? Surely that's worth being able to vote about!
Got any examples?Increased spending on the NHS and schools in England seems to have led to a reduction in Scotland.
Perhaps the SNP simply apply the opposite to England policy and reductions south will lead to increased spending in Scotland?
"Plans to introduce "English votes for English laws" for MPs have been voted through in the House of Commons.
The government won the backing of MPs by 312 to 270 votes. A series of amendments by Lib Dem and Labour MPs were also defeated."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34599998
The government won the backing of MPs by 312 to 270 votes. A series of amendments by Lib Dem and Labour MPs were also defeated."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34599998
We appear to be wandering haphazardly into constitutional change without any overall plan. This is vote catching, nothing more.
We also have threats today that if the Lords exercise their constitutional function over tax credits.
If there's to be devolution, then we should vote on it. If we want the lords done away with, then this too should be voted on. Where in the tory manifesto did either of this fundamental changes to the constitution appear?
(Rhetorical question.)
We also have threats today that if the Lords exercise their constitutional function over tax credits.
If there's to be devolution, then we should vote on it. If we want the lords done away with, then this too should be voted on. Where in the tory manifesto did either of this fundamental changes to the constitution appear?
(Rhetorical question.)
Derek Smith said:
We appear to be wandering haphazardly into constitutional change without any overall plan. This is vote catching, nothing more.
We also have threats today that if the Lords exercise their constitutional function over tax credits.
If there's to be devolution, then we should vote on it. If we want the lords done away with, then this too should be voted on. Where in the tory manifesto did either of this fundamental changes to the constitution appear?
(Rhetorical question.)
It was in the 2010 manifesto too.We also have threats today that if the Lords exercise their constitutional function over tax credits.
If there's to be devolution, then we should vote on it. If we want the lords done away with, then this too should be voted on. Where in the tory manifesto did either of this fundamental changes to the constitution appear?
(Rhetorical question.)
Derek Smith said:
We appear to be wandering haphazardly into constitutional change without any overall plan. This is vote catching, nothing more.
We also have threats today that if the Lords exercise their constitutional function over tax credits.
If there's to be devolution, then we should vote on it. If we want the lords done away with, then this too should be voted on. Where in the tory manifesto did either of this fundamental changes to the constitution appear?
(Rhetorical question.)
First sentence, agree.We also have threats today that if the Lords exercise their constitutional function over tax credits.
If there's to be devolution, then we should vote on it. If we want the lords done away with, then this too should be voted on. Where in the tory manifesto did either of this fundamental changes to the constitution appear?
(Rhetorical question.)
Second, not quite so straightforward, salisbury convention?
Third, Blair started Lords reform.
r11co said:
(We arr') the People v Alistair Carmichael.
The angry mob argue that Mr Carmichael, Scotland's only remaining Lib Dem MP, breached Section 106 of the Representation of the People Act 1983, which outlaws false statements in relation to the "personal character or conduct" of a candidate.
Doesn't take a QC to figure out the legal reasoning that will lead to automatic dismissal of the petition.
(Hint - Nicola Sturgeon wasn't a candidate!)
How did that work out, Ironside?The angry mob argue that Mr Carmichael, Scotland's only remaining Lib Dem MP, breached Section 106 of the Representation of the People Act 1983, which outlaws false statements in relation to the "personal character or conduct" of a candidate.
Doesn't take a QC to figure out the legal reasoning that will lead to automatic dismissal of the petition.
(Hint - Nicola Sturgeon wasn't a candidate!)
Strocky said:
they've just knocked 3 to 5 years off the breakup of the Union
Reading your posts are predictably stupid. You lost the referendum, Sturgeon is already backtracking on calling another one for fear of losing again. Go back and read that tissue of nonsense called the White Paper, published under the seal of the two faced FM Salmond and ask yourself if any of it now stands up to scrutiny.
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