English votes for English laws
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Could' see a thread for this, feel free to close this and point to the thread if there is.
Does today's announcement answer the West Lothian question or is it a half baked idea that will prove to be unworkable. I see the fisher wife north of the border is bleating about it, so at least some of it must be right.
My own take is it is a poor half way house that will do nothing. I'm not understanding why rather than restricting the committee stage to English only MP's it can't be extended to the voting as well? Or have I not understood it?
Does today's announcement answer the West Lothian question or is it a half baked idea that will prove to be unworkable. I see the fisher wife north of the border is bleating about it, so at least some of it must be right.
My own take is it is a poor half way house that will do nothing. I'm not understanding why rather than restricting the committee stage to English only MP's it can't be extended to the voting as well? Or have I not understood it?
According to Gerald Kaufman your thread title is racist.
http://order-order.com/2015/07/02/labour-mp-englis...
http://order-order.com/2015/07/02/labour-mp-englis...
jurbie said:
According to Gerald Kaufman your thread title is racist.
http://order-order.com/2015/07/02/labour-mp-englis...
Blimey from the comments on there I take it GK is held in contempt in some circles....http://order-order.com/2015/07/02/labour-mp-englis...
HarryW said:
Could' see a thread for this, feel free to close this and point to the thread if there is.
Does today's announcement answer the West Lothian question or is it a half baked idea that will prove to be unworkable. I see the fisher wife north of the border is bleating about it, so at least some of it must be right.
My own take is it is a poor half way house that will do nothing. I'm not understanding why rather than restricting the committee stage to English only MP's it can't be extended to the voting as well? Or have I not understood it?
It looks pretty simple and straightforward to me. It just means that there have to be a majority of English MPs for a bill to go through, as well as a majority of all MPs. Essentially it gives the English MPs a veto on bills which only affect England.Does today's announcement answer the West Lothian question or is it a half baked idea that will prove to be unworkable. I see the fisher wife north of the border is bleating about it, so at least some of it must be right.
My own take is it is a poor half way house that will do nothing. I'm not understanding why rather than restricting the committee stage to English only MP's it can't be extended to the voting as well? Or have I not understood it?
s2art said:
HarryW said:
Could' see a thread for this, feel free to close this and point to the thread if there is.
Does today's announcement answer the West Lothian question or is it a half baked idea that will prove to be unworkable. I see the fisher wife north of the border is bleating about it, so at least some of it must be right.
My own take is it is a poor half way house that will do nothing. I'm not understanding why rather than restricting the committee stage to English only MP's it can't be extended to the voting as well? Or have I not understood it?
It looks pretty simple and straightforward to me. It just means that there have to be a majority of English MPs for a bill to go through, as well as a majority of all MPs. Essentially it gives the English MPs a veto on bills which only affect England.Does today's announcement answer the West Lothian question or is it a half baked idea that will prove to be unworkable. I see the fisher wife north of the border is bleating about it, so at least some of it must be right.
My own take is it is a poor half way house that will do nothing. I'm not understanding why rather than restricting the committee stage to English only MP's it can't be extended to the voting as well? Or have I not understood it?
HarryW said:
jurbie said:
According to Gerald Kaufman your thread title is racist.
http://order-order.com/2015/07/02/labour-mp-englis...
Blimey from the comments on there I take it GK is held in contempt in some circles....http://order-order.com/2015/07/02/labour-mp-englis...
jurbie said:
According to Gerald Kaufman your thread title is racist.
http://order-order.com/2015/07/02/labour-mp-englis...
That's pretty inflammatory.http://order-order.com/2015/07/02/labour-mp-englis...
Ridgemont said:
Looks like fairly standard fare for a Guido thread tbh. Which in itself is fairly dispiriting. Always worth reading for the comedy if Guido posts something about Gordy Broon
I do find the comments on Guido's articles amusing. Some of them make PH look like the Karl Marx fan club - they get especially amusing when Owen Jones opens his mouth.arp1 said:
The main issue is that when Non English MPs are barred from voting on matters that will directly affect their 'pocket money', so quite rightly there is some disquiet on the situation.
I can kind of see the frustration, even though the Nats have brought this on themselves due to their outrageous bleating and whinging during the neverendum. Its a mistake, but the noisy Nats have bullied the rUK for so long that CallMeDave feels he needs to be seen to be doing something.I can't help feeling it is an unneccesary step, an erosion of the UK, and should probably be parked. Just like Holyrood, which should be scrapped - or usefully turned into a nice art gallery or community space. Both Holyrood and EVEL can be shown to be unfair and divisive from various perspectives.
Edited by ///ajd on Friday 3rd July 22:08
Edited by ///ajd on Friday 3rd July 22:09
arp1 said:
The main issue is that when Non English MPs are barred from voting on matters that will directly affect their 'pocket money', so quite rightly there is some disquiet on the situation.
If it affects the "pocket money" of non- English MPs I would have though it wouldn't be an "English Law" affecting "only England" so the non- English MPs would be able to vote.Although if they was only 56 of them, they wouldn't necessarily decide the outcome
Still, they could complain about how unfair it is if it makes them feel better
vanordinaire said:
The only way for it to be completely fair is for each nation to have it's own devolved parliament with the same powers for each. Then no-one could possibly have any grounds to complain, could they?
But this achieves much the same thing and doesnt cost anything. The last thing we need is another layer of parasitic politicians.s2art said:
vanordinaire said:
The only way for it to be completely fair is for each nation to have it's own devolved parliament with the same powers for each. Then no-one could possibly have any grounds to complain, could they?
But this achieves much the same thing and doesnt cost anything. The last thing we need is another layer of parasitic politicians.s2art said:
vanordinaire said:
The only way for it to be completely fair is for each nation to have it's own devolved parliament with the same powers for each. Then no-one could possibly have any grounds to complain, could they?
But this achieves much the same thing and doesnt cost anything. The last thing we need is another layer of parasitic politicians.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff