Housing benefit cap.

[JensenA]

The point is, not enough houses have been built, and the UK needs a lot more. Immigrants have to live somewhere don't they?

[NicD]

rover 623gsi said:

NicD said:

There are plenty of 'facts', on the ground, where housing is found. Come to TW8 and I will point out all the schemes that have been built since I arrived in 2003.

TW8 is in London Borough of Hounslow (2014 population 265,568)

Dwellings completed all types and all tenures

Year - Private - HA - LA - Total
2003/04 - 690 - 360 - 0 - 1,050
2004/05 - 440 - 330 - 0 - 780
2005/06 - 700 - 490 - 0 - 1,190
2006/07 - 710 - 840 - 0 - 1,560
2007/08 - 560 - 1,360 - 0 - 1,920
2008/09 - 750 - 460 - 0 - 1,210
2009/10 - 740 - 710 - 0 - 1,450
2010/11 - 590- 460 - 0 - 1,050
2011/12 - 300 - 550 - 20 - 870
2012/13 - 280 - 100 - 0 - 380
2013/14 - 270 - 250 - 0 - 520
2014/15 - 570 - 370 - 70 - 1,010

Total - 6,600 - 5,920 - 90 - 12,610

so, that's an average of 1,146 new dwellings per year - if Hounslow is in line with national figures it will also have lost somewhere between 250-300 dwellings per year. So that's a net increase of around 900 dwellings annualy.

I'll let you decide if that is the 'thousands upon thousands of units built in the last decade or so' you claimed earlier.

erm 12,610 would seem to be that, would it not? What are you prevaricating about?

[mph1977]

daytona365 said:

Negative Creep said:

daytona365 said:

''Roll on Victorian Britain and workhouses seems to be the Tory way of thinking''....And what on earths wrong with that ? We were the most successful nation on earth in those times. Not the poor whipped pup we've become.

So just to clarify, you'd like to return to a time when people starved in the streets because there was no state help, infant mortality rates were massive, children were prostituted openly or sent to work in factories, crime was out of control, the mentally ill were thrown into lunatic asylums and left to die and women weren't allowed to vote? Riiiiiight.

............Would anyone really be bothered, as long as it wasn't them ?

not among the 'average' powerfully built, be-goatteed, red bull swigging, net contriubutor, Company Director PHer it weouldn;t as sociopathic traits are often confused with being a libertarian ...

[greygoose]

mph1977 said:

daytona365 said:

Negative Creep said:

daytona365 said:

''Roll on Victorian Britain and workhouses seems to be the Tory way of thinking''....And what on earths wrong with that ? We were the most successful nation on earth in those times. Not the poor whipped pup we've become.

So just to clarify, you'd like to return to a time when people starved in the streets because there was no state help, infant mortality rates were massive, children were prostituted openly or sent to work in factories, crime was out of control, the mentally ill were thrown into lunatic asylums and left to die and women weren't allowed to vote? Riiiiiight.

............Would anyone really be bothered, as long as it wasn't them ?

not among the 'average' powerfully built, be-goatteed, red bull swigging, net contriubutor, Company Director PHer it weouldn;t as sociopathic traits are often confused with being a libertarian ...

It does seem that way at times, the self centred views exhibited are astonishing.

[anonymous-user]

JensenA said:

NinjaPower said:

MajorProblem said:

Rightmove has tens of thousands of...

Houses to buy under £150k

Houses to rent under £600 PCM

So what's the issue?

Because some people refuse to move around the country to obtain suitable housing or employment, and think they have some kind 'right' to homes and employment exactly where they live or where they would like to live, without having to move.

It seems a peculiar way of looking at things, but believe me, plenty of these people exist.

"these People"? You arrogant opiniated tt. You need a good dose of the reality medicine.

Until recently, I worked in social housing for 9 years, including 3 with one of the biggest housing providers in the country with stock from Kent to Edinburgh.

I started as a frontline housing officer, face to face with Social Housing customers.

I've had PLENTY of 'reality medicine'

[mph1977]

NinjaPower said:

Until recently, I worked in social housing for 9 years, including 3 with one of the biggest housing providers in the country with stock from Kent to Edinburgh.

I started as a frontline housing officer, face to face with Social Housing customers.

I've had PLENTY of 'reality medicine'

this is the problem isn;t it

join the military from school / go to uni expect to live in halls / barracks or a shared house and move hundrfeds of miles ( and expect to do the same a number of times inthe early part of your career at least ) ... go on the dole expect a cahncil 'ouse in the same / next street as the rest of your extended family ...

[MajorProblem]

mph1977 said:

this is the problem isn;t it

join the military from school / go to uni expect to live in halls / barracks or a shared house and move hundrfeds of miles ( and expect to do the same a number of times inthe early part of your career at least ) ... go on the dole expect a cahncil 'ouse in the same / next street as the rest of your extended family ...

Or find out where the best schools are and get a free house there, whilst working people who'd love their kids to go to that school can't afford to live in that area.

Then the kid attends the first week and is hardly seen for the rest of the year.

[gruffalo]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

An over supply and a house price crash destroying many people's savings in the process.

[Guybrush]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

The "housing shortage" will become less of a problem. As will pressure on the NHS, schools and the roads.

[rover 623gsi]

by spending less on social housing, we spend more on housing benefit - madness

http://blog.shelter.org.uk/2015/07/the-million-hom...

Edited by rover 623gsi on Monday 6th July 09:13

[RedTrident]

Where do Housing Association fit in that chart?

[tangerine_sedge]

rover 623gsi said:

by spending less on social housing, we spend more on housing benefit - madness

http://blog.shelter.org.uk/2015/07/the-million-hom...

By spending less on social housing (and creating national assets) we spend more on housing benefit (passing that cash on to private property owners). Anybody would think that this was some kind of wheeze to quickly and easily get as much of that tax money into private hands as possible...

[Sheepshanks]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

It's difficult to imagine a scenario in which that will happen on any scale that would have an impact.

[mph1977]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

for the case of Accessional states if , assuming
1.the Euro doesn;t implode
2. the racists, xenophobes and 'kippers don;t wind their blessed referendum ( typical kipper hypocrisy over FUD tactics)

the rates of pay in the accession states equalise with the rates of pay in the EU15 or at least are rising considerably faster than the widest measure of cost of living (so including land values etc)

[daytona365]

Countdown said:

daytona365 said:

...........Would anyone really be bothered, as long as it wasn't them ?

I'd be bothered. It's nice not living in a 3rd world dump.

........I'm sure much of Berkshire is detached from the realities of life living in a 3rd world dump, but surely you have to travel outside sometimes ?

[Countdown]

daytona365 said:

.......I'm sure much of Berkshire is detached from the realities of life living in a 3rd world dump, but surely you have to travel outside sometimes ?

I was talking about the UK as a whole. Victorian times may have been great for some but for others life was, by all accounts, a bit crap. Thanks to various governments and social policies we in the UK (as a whole) generally have a good standard of living. Id rather this was maintained than go backwards to victorian times.

[JensenA]

I'm just watching "how to get a council house" on Ch4. A bit of an eye opener!