BBC to charge for iPlayer

[chris watton]

chrispmartha said:

I would probably say a show that has been made by a British Tv company set in Britain for a British audience.

I appreciate that makes me sound a little jingoistic and I'm anything but.

Ah, you mean like Morse, Lewis, Broadchurch etc.?

We have all of the best of British already, even Silent Witness, but the last few seasons of that were unintentionally comical, they were so poor!

There is Sherlock, of course, but how many series has there been over the past few years?

Years ago, we all scoffed at US TV programmes, and with good reason; cheesy, clichéd etc. Now, I think, it is the other way around. There still are British based TV series being made away from BBC that are not half bad, Outlander on Amazon Prime, there was a nice little 4 parter on SKY a while ago about Ian Flemming - but to be honest, the quality of some of the HBO programmes is sublime, and have really raised the stakes.

How much does the BBC get per year, over £3 Billion, plus overseas sales on top of that? What do they come up with for say, adult sci-fi, for example, Day of the Triffids, Survivors, Under The Skin! Please!

[chrispmartha]

chris watton said:

Ah, you mean like Morse, Lewis, Broadchurch etc.?

We have all of the best of British already, even Silent Witness, but the last few seasons of that were unintentionally comical, they were so poor!

There is Sherlock, of course, but how many series has there been over the past few years?

Years ago, we all scoffed at US TV programmes, and with good reason; cheesy, clichéd etc. Now, I think, it is the other way around. There still are British based TV series being made away from BBC that are not half bad, Outlander on Amazon Prime, there was a nice little 4 parter on SKY a while ago about Ian Flemming - but to be honest, the quality of some of the HBO programmes is sublime, and have really raised the stakes.

How much does the BBC get per year, over £3 Billion, plus overseas sales on top of that? What do they come up with for say, adult sci-fi, for example, Day of the Triffids, Survivors, Under The Skin! Please!

To be honest I'm sure the US shows that were listed are excellent, just not to my taste really. I've heard great things about Breaking Bad and Mad Men but I honestly don't think I've got the time to actually watch that many episodes of something.

[tangerine_sedge]

As someone else posted, not many "British" shows in there. That's one of the main reason why *I* like that the BBC exists and is UK centric in it's output. It ensures that shows about the UK are made, in the UK, using UK talent. It reflects *my* culture, and ensures that TV viewers are not just spoon fed a diet of US culture. Although saying that, I've watched many of the shows you've stated, usually via box sets or when they eventually make their way to freeview.

So, to comment on your list :

chris watton said:

Game of Thrones - I am currently watching via box sets.
True Detective - I've heard good stuff and will watch when it makes it's way to freeview.
Breaking Bad - I've watched via box sets.
Vikings - doesn't interest me.
Walking Dead - I've read the comics instead
Spartacus - doesn't interest me.
Big Bang Theory - watch via E4 on freeview.
Dexter - Watched on freeview, then caught up via box sets.
Penny Dreadful - not interested
Black Sails - never heard of it(!)
Mad Men - doesn't interest me, but wan't it on the BBC?

+ BBC has :

Sherlock, Doctor Who, the game, the fall, Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell, car share, number 9, house of fools, Dirk Gently, Wolf Hall, and a bunch of other stuff not aimed at me.

chris watton said:

For car enthusiasts (UK programmes):
Wheeler Dealers - available on freeview
Car SOS - never watched it.
5th Gear - available on freeview.

Top Gear

chris watton said:

For documentary lovers:
Too many to mention (although I confess that I have quite a few BBC box sets, the best being Earth Story from the late '90's, just before the BBC went all global warming on us

BBC4 has this covered, everything from caravanning to the history of heavy metal, plus the occasional wildlife series, plus seasonal 'shows' like Springwatch & stargazing live which could be argued to be documentaries even though they are live.

chris watton said:

For News:
A choice of over a dozen channels to chose from - for crap like Fox News, that is subscribers only, so I choose not to pay for that.

Freeview has 3 or 4 different news channels, plus the BBC local news (for local people).

[tangerine_sedge]

0000 said:

chrispmartha said:

I would probably say a show that has been made by a British Tv company set in Britain for a British audience.

I appreciate that makes me sound a little jingoistic and I'm anything but.

I think the unique way the BBC is funded has trounced all over that niche.

Broadchurch, Downton abbey, Mr Selfridge, Indian Summers, Humans, and a bunch of stuff that I'm not interested in would beg to differ.

[chris watton]

tangerine_sedge said:

I like to watch different stuff to you

Indeed - and I don't care what you watch, what I am saying is we should all be free to choose what we watch, and pay for it. I would not expect you to fund my viewing/listening habits, and I assume you feel the same?

Right now, I am helping to subsidise your viewing/listening habits via the BBC licence fee, I have little choice even though I don't watch/listen to it, but you are not subsiding mine (nor should you) when I watch SKY or Amazon Prime. How is that fair?

[0000]

tangerine_sedge said:

0000 said:

chrispmartha said:

I would probably say a show that has been made by a British Tv company set in Britain for a British audience.

I appreciate that makes me sound a little jingoistic and I'm anything but.

I think the unique way the BBC is funded has trounced all over that niche.

Broadchurch, Downton abbey, Mr Selfridge, Indian Summers, Humans, and a bunch of stuff that I'm not interested in would beg to differ.

I rest my case.

[chrispmartha]

chris watton said:

Indeed - and I don't care what you watch, what I am saying is we should all be free to choose what we watch, and pay for it. I would not expect you to fund my viewing/listening habits, and I assume you feel the same?

Right now, I am helping to subsidise your viewing/listening habits via the BBC licence fee, I have little choice even though I don't watch/listen to it, but you are not subsiding mine (nor should you) when I watch SKY or Amazon Prime. How is that fair?

Im sure part of my Sky subscription will go towards the shows you watch and I don't. I only really get Sky for the Rugby League, but I can't just pay for that, I have to pay for the other stations as well so I do subsidise other peoples viewing habits.

[chris watton]

0000 said:

tangerine_sedge said:

0000 said:

chrispmartha said:

I would probably say a show that has been made by a British Tv company set in Britain for a British audience.

I appreciate that makes me sound a little jingoistic and I'm anything but.

I think the unique way the BBC is funded has trounced all over that niche.

Broadchurch, Downton abbey, Mr Selfridge, Indian Summers, Humans, and a bunch of stuff that I'm not interested in would beg to differ.

I rest my case.

And all of those are not BBC anyway!

Edited by chris watton on Wednesday 8th July 15:11

[0000]

Exactly.

[Moonhawk]

tangerine_sedge said:

Sherlock, Doctor Who, the game, the fall, Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell, car share, number 9, house of fools, Dirk Gently, Wolf Hall, and a bunch of other stuff not aimed at me.

fking ttting stty bks

[chrispmartha]

chris watton said:

Indeed - and I don't care what you watch, what I am saying is we should all be free to choose what we watch, and pay for it. I would not expect you to fund my viewing/listening habits, and I assume you feel the same?

Right now, I am helping to subsidise your viewing/listening habits via the BBC licence fee, I have little choice even though I don't watch/listen to it, but you are not subsiding mine (nor should you) when I watch SKY or Amazon Prime. How is that fair?

Im sure part of my Sky subscription will go towards the shows you watch and I don't. I only really get Sky for the Rugby League, but I can't just pay for that, I have to pay for the other stations as well so I do subsidise other peoples viewing habits.

[chris watton]

chrispmartha said:

Im sure part of my Sky subscription will go towards the shows you watch and I don't. I only really get Sky for the Rugby League, but I can't just pay for that, I have to pay for the other stations as well so I do subsidise other peoples viewing habits.

Sigh - yes, but both you and I can cancel whenever we want, if we feel we are not getting our money's worth. Correct?

(I do not subscribe to the Sports channels, BTW)

[chrispmartha]

chris watton said:

Sigh - yes, but both you and I can cancel whenever we want, if we feel we are not getting our money's worth. Correct?

(I do not subscribe to the Sports channels, BTW)

I can cancel but I think its worth it so don't, just as you don't have to pay the TV license but I don't mind doing as I think its worth it.

The whole point for me is - take the sky example, part of my subscription fee will go towards sky paying ridiculous amounts of money for the rights of the Premier League, something which I never watch (note I can't just get the RL I have to pay for the premier league as well!) but I realise there is a bigger picture with all this, the people that pay for the premier league are also subsidising the lesser watched sports i,e RL, so the production is of a higher quality than it would be if you could only pay for the RL.

This is also the reason I am a supporter of the BBC, the fact we all put into the pot means that even if a programme may not attract as many viewers as say 'strictly come dancing' (a programme I have zero interest in) its still gets high production values and it means they actually get made, and I personally think we are all in a better place for that, diversity is a good thing, and I like the fact that channels like BBC4 exist.

[Moonhawk]

chrispmartha said:

Im sure part of my Sky subscription will go towards the shows you watch and I don't. I only really get Sky for the Rugby League, but I can't just pay for that, I have to pay for the other stations as well so I do subsidise other peoples viewing habits.

Even if the BBC didn't exist - you would likely have to pay some form of TVL or pay towards public service broadcasting via general taxation or other charges.

Pretty much every 1st world country has some sort of charge/tax that pays towards broadcast services.

[chrispmartha]

Moonhawk said:

Even if the BBC didn't exist - you would likely have to pay some form of TVL or pay towards public service broadcasting via general taxation or other charges.

Pretty much every 1st world country has some sort of charge/tax that pays towards broadcast services.

Well quite, but I think that seems to get lost in this debate.

[chrispmartha]

anonymous said:

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Personally I think yes, as I've said I think there's a bigger picture.

[budgie smuggler]

anonymous said:

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I didn't see this question.

F1, Olympics, Snooker and pretty much every sport they cover.
Peaky Blinders
There to Here
Line Of Duty
The Missing
Luther
Sherlock
Deadly 60
Horizon
Happy Valley
The Fall
Ripper Street
Poldark
Banished
The Honourable Woman


That's off the top of my head, hopefully I've not not mixed any ITV/CH4 in there.

I don't rate the modern Attenborough stuff, it's too dumbed down and the climate hange agenda is irksome. Beautiful filming though.

[eldar]

anonymous said:

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From that you'd be in favour of road pricing, I take it.

[Moonhawk]

anonymous said:

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Can you give an example of one country that adopts a purely subscription model for all broadcast media?

The UK would be setting a pretty big precedent if they went that way.

[otolith]

anonymous said:

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That's OK, if there is a month's notice you can record all of everything they ever show.