BBC to charge for iPlayer

[vonuber]

turbobloke said:

29 fivers is chicken feed...toff stuff or should that be champagne socialist alert.

You do talk some bks. Me wanting to keep the BBC as for £145 per year it is great value for money makes me a champagne socialist? What a stupid thing to say, and you know it.

[Funk]

0000 said:

So it's not just that they can't charge over 75s, but that the DWP is paying the BBC the licence fee? I'm glad that is being stopped then.

Holy st....WHAT? That's fking outrageous and I'm glad it's being sorted out. Why on earth were our taxes being used to fund the BBC in this way?

I wouldn't give a monkey's if they turned the BBC off tomorrow - I don't watch it, I don't listen to any of it and I don't read any of their news.

If people want it, they should make it subscription-only and ditch the licence fee - this would allow people to watch commercial programming if they wished without having to fund the BBC.

The reason they won't take the BBC to a subs model is because they know it would fail.

[BJG1]

If they added their back-catalogue of content to it I'd pay at least twice as much as the licence fee.

[Morningside]

BJG1 said:

If they added their back-catalogue of content to it I'd pay at least twice as much as the licence fee.

They had one bash at digitising everything and totally fked up, costing us them millions.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-22651...


But I agree it would be great if they done a netflix type service and I honestly thought this is what the iPlayer was going to be with hundreds of boxsets.

[Moonhawk]

Makes sense - the world has moved on since the TVL was introduced. I doubt whoever came up with the idea for the TVL envisaged the web and streaming/catchup services.

At some point the game was bound to change.

Presumably this would only apply to people who don't already hold a TVL.

[oyster]

Funk said:

0000 said:

So it's not just that they can't charge over 75s, but that the DWP is paying the BBC the licence fee? I'm glad that is being stopped then.

Holy st....WHAT? That's fking outrageous and I'm glad it's being sorted out. Why on earth were our taxes being used to fund the BBC in this way?

I wouldn't give a monkey's if they turned the BBC off tomorrow - I don't watch it, I don't listen to any of it and I don't read any of their news.

If people want it, they should make it subscription-only and ditch the licence fee - this would allow people to watch commercial programming if they wished without having to fund the BBC.

The reason they won't take the BBC to a subs model is because they know it would fail.

So long as you're ok jack?

[oyster]

Funk said:

0000 said:

So it's not just that they can't charge over 75s, but that the DWP is paying the BBC the licence fee? I'm glad that is being stopped then.

Holy st....WHAT? That's fking outrageous and I'm glad it's being sorted out. Why on earth were our taxes being used to fund the BBC in this way?

I wouldn't give a monkey's if they turned the BBC off tomorrow - I don't watch it, I don't listen to any of it and I don't read any of their news.

If people want it, they should make it subscription-only and ditch the licence fee - this would allow people to watch commercial programming if they wished without having to fund the BBC.

The reason they won't take the BBC to a subs model is because they know it would fail.

So long as you're ok jack?

[Funk]

oyster said:

Funk said:

0000 said:

So it's not just that they can't charge over 75s, but that the DWP is paying the BBC the licence fee? I'm glad that is being stopped then.

Holy st....WHAT? That's fking outrageous and I'm glad it's being sorted out. Why on earth were our taxes being used to fund the BBC in this way?

I wouldn't give a monkey's if they turned the BBC off tomorrow - I don't watch it, I don't listen to any of it and I don't read any of their news.

If people want it, they should make it subscription-only and ditch the licence fee - this would allow people to watch commercial programming if they wished without having to fund the BBC.

The reason they won't take the BBC to a subs model is because they know it would fail.

So long as you're ok jack?

So long as I'm not forced to subsidise it then yep!

[boxst]

I don't watch live television at all, but do like some BBC programs so will watch them on iPlayer. I'm happy to pay the licence fee for this. I'm not happy that I have to pay the licence AND pay for iPlayer...

[Funk]

boxst said:

I don't watch live television at all, but do like some BBC programs so will watch them on iPlayer. I'm happy to pay the licence fee for this. I'm not happy that I have to pay the licence AND pay for iPlayer...

If you never watch live you should drop the licence fee completely.

[Derek Smith]

You'd think by all of this that no one on PH watches any programme on the BBC.

If you don't like it then you don't have to pay for it. It is simple enough.

The problem with the BBC is that Murdoch wants it killed as he wants people to have to pay for Sky TV. He makes demands for the media support for a political party and the reduction in fees and the sniping against it by the party in power is the payment. The only politician with enough bottle to stand up to him was Major, and what happened? He was vilified in the press and Murodch jumped to Balir. For a price.

[PRTVR]

Derek Smith said:

You'd think by all of this that no one on PH watches any programme on the BBC.

If you don't like it then you don't have to pay for it. It is simple enough.

The problem with the BBC is that Murdoch wants it killed as he wants people to have to pay for Sky TV. He makes demands for the media support for a political party and the reduction in fees and the sniping against it by the party in power is the payment. The only politician with enough bottle to stand up to him was Major, and what happened? He was vilified in the press and Murodch jumped to Balir. For a price.

I disagree, if I only want to watch live ITV channels I still have to pay the BBC for the privilege, that cannot be right.

[Randy Winkman]

Funk said:

boxst said:

I don't watch live television at all, but do like some BBC programs so will watch them on iPlayer. I'm happy to pay the licence fee for this. I'm not happy that I have to pay the licence AND pay for iPlayer...

If you never watch live you should drop the licence fee completely.

Then how would the programmes get made?

[Randy Winkman]

Moonhawk said:

Makes sense - the world has moved on since the TVL was introduced. I doubt whoever came up with the idea for the TVL envisaged the web and streaming/catchup services.

At some point the game was bound to change.

Presumably this would only apply to people who don't already hold a TVL.

Though plenty of countries still have it. Half of Africa and Asia and two thirds of Europe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television_licence

[Cheese Mechanic]

Randy Winkman said:

Then how would the programmes get made?

Subscription. Freedom of choice. The BBC does make qulaity programmes from time to time. So do a myriad of other companies, companies not funded by state sanction.

[markcoznottz]

BJG1 said:

If they added their back-catalogue of content to it I'd pay at least twice as much as the licence fee.

Didn't they try to digitise it and then give up? No doubt cost us a fortune in common purpose art grad types with made up jobs....

A lot of TV was shot on video tape back in the day so won't look that good now. More importantly, stuff like OFAH etc is available for peanuts on Amazon, it's debatable how many people would pay for old stuff.

[Randy Winkman]

Cheese Mechanic said:

Randy Winkman said:

Then how would the programmes get made?

Subscription. Freedom of choice. The BBC does make qulaity programmes from time to time. So do a myriad of other companies, companies not funded by state sanction.

I assumed that Funk was suggesting that people who only watch iPlayer now shouldn't pay the licence fee because they don't watch live TV.

[boxst]

Randy Winkman said:

Funk said:

boxst said:

I don't watch live television at all, but do like some BBC programs so will watch them on iPlayer. I'm happy to pay the licence fee for this. I'm not happy that I have to pay the licence AND pay for iPlayer...

If you never watch live you should drop the licence fee completely.

Then how would the programmes get made?

Quite. So I don't have a problem with me entering my licence details into iPlayer so I can watch. I should be able to choose how I consume the programs I've paid for.

[otolith]

I think people have misinterpreted this - it isn't "you will need a licence for iPlayer", it is "you will need a TV licence for catch up TV". It looks very much like the licence is being extended to streaming services.

[Schmy]

Even the most ardent of BBC haters must agree that paying to watch BBC content on iPlayer is fair?

And most pro-BBC people probably agree that watching live non-BBC content shouldn't be charged.