Pamplona Running of the Bulls
Discussion
Timmy40 said:
Jasandjules said:
yes catch a cat or dog, tie to a pole then set fire to it - whilst alive of course.
Which do they light the pole or the cat? I think most of this stuff dates back to before TV and people being able to buy fireworks. Sounds like the Spanish have some good tips for ISIS in terms of evening entertainments.
http://portugalresident.com/outrage-as-celebrating...
Jasandjules said:
Timmy40 said:
Which do they light the pole or the cat?
The cat. Oh, and of course the bull one.. Think it is the horns for him but the rest gets badly burnt as a result.
Koofler said:
Presumably you support them throwing donkeys off of towers too? It being a tradition and all.
I don't know anything at all about throwing donkeys off of towers.I do know a bit about bull running and bullfighting.
Is it morally wrong? The thing is with morals we pretty much all have different ones and that's why we have laws which vary from country to country.
I went to see my first bullfight in Spain on a family holiday when I was 10, that was 39 years ago and I've seen a good number since. I've never forgotten the spectacle and drama as the day unfolded.
Morally I can fully understand people's abhorrence, I think MMA is wrong but there you go.
I can give countless examples of things that some would think right, some wrong .
Paddy_N_Murphy said:
Eh, Are we still talking about Bull running? ?
Oh. Any opinions on walloping a horse down a race track with a whip whilst we are talking about animals running around.
At least the Bulls are running free, not with all sorts of leather do-dads strapped to them and with a midget screaming in their ear.
Cushioned whips and a limit on using even those.Oh. Any opinions on walloping a horse down a race track with a whip whilst we are talking about animals running around.
At least the Bulls are running free, not with all sorts of leather do-dads strapped to them and with a midget screaming in their ear.
This thread could end up with some excellent examples of morals.
Cushioned whips FFS. Next you'll be grouse shooting but only with a stun gun.
The Bulls aren't tortured, they run into the ring amid a frenzied throng. The best fighting bulls are selected to fight a matador. All the Bulls die at the sword, most would anyway whether in a ring or abbattoir.
Personally, I love the spectacle but there we are.
Cushioned whips FFS. Next you'll be grouse shooting but only with a stun gun.
The Bulls aren't tortured, they run into the ring amid a frenzied throng. The best fighting bulls are selected to fight a matador. All the Bulls die at the sword, most would anyway whether in a ring or abbattoir.
Personally, I love the spectacle but there we are.
Edited by Thankyou4calling on Tuesday 7th July 16:28
Jasandjules said:
Yes it is.
Anyone who thinks it is acceptable to torture animals to death for fun has something wrong with them.
ETA - Directed at Koofler as well as JasandJulesAnyone who thinks it is acceptable to torture animals to death for fun has something wrong with them.
The topic in discussion here is the Bull Running in Pamplona, no bulls are tortured to death in the event, so cats being set light to and donkeys being pushed off buildings have nothing to do with it. The only thing that you are arguing about is the advocacy of the tradition. There are traditions (good and bad) that individuals choose to support, but your argument holds no weight when you digress into the specifics of others and try to use the negative points (such as animal torture) to try to add credibility to your argument for something that you simply don't agree with.
Edited by TIGA84 on Tuesday 7th July 16:24
TIGA84 said:
Jasandjules said:
Yes it is.
Anyone who thinks it is acceptable to torture animals to death for fun has something wrong with them.
ETA - Directed at Koofler as well as JasandJulesAnyone who thinks it is acceptable to torture animals to death for fun has something wrong with them.
The topic in discussion here is the Bull Running in Pamplona, no bulls are tortured to death in the event, so cats being set light to and donkeys being pushed off buildings have nothing to do with it. The only thing that you are arguing about is the advocacy of the tradition. There are traditions (good and bad) that individuals choose to support, but your argument holds no weight when you digress into the specifics of others and try to use the negative points (such as animal torture) to try to add credibility to your argument for something that you simply don't agree with.
Edited by TIGA84 on Tuesday 7th July 16:24
TIGA84 said:
Jasandjules said:
Yes it is.
Anyone who thinks it is acceptable to torture animals to death for fun has something wrong with them.
ETA - Directed at Koofler as well as JasandJulesAnyone who thinks it is acceptable to torture animals to death for fun has something wrong with them.
The topic in discussion here is the Bull Running in Pamplona, no bulls are tortured to death in the event, so cats being set light to and donkeys being pushed off buildings have nothing to do with it. The only thing that you are arguing about is the advocacy of the tradition. There are traditions (good and bad) that individuals choose to support, but your argument holds no weight when you digress into the specifics of others and try to use the negative points (such as animal torture) to try to add credibility to your argument for something that you simply don't agree with.
williamp said:
So when you see something like this
Do you feel sorry for the bull, already bleeding to death in in a position where it cant possibly survive, or feel sorry for the person?
Personally, I feel sorry for the bull. As far as I'm concerned the matador's injuries are wholly self-inflicted.Do you feel sorry for the bull, already bleeding to death in in a position where it cant possibly survive, or feel sorry for the person?
Timmy40 said:
AJS- said:
The big difference is that slavery actually harms a person. This doesn't.
Apart from the guy who nearly had his arse ripped out?jjlynn27 said:
Is there a subject, any subject at all, that you are not angry about?
Koofler said:
AJS- said:
I don't support slavery. The big difference is that slavery actually harms a person, or even denies his right to be a person at all. This doesn't.
I nearly made the slavery analogy in my earlier post but decided against it. So, in your mind, as long as it is just an animal, anything is fair game."Anything" would be a very sweeping way to put it.
TIGA84 said:
The topic in discussion here is the Bull Running in Pamplona, no bulls are tortured to death in the event, so cats being set light to and donkeys being pushed off buildings have nothing to do with it.
It is clear that tradition is the excuse used by many psychopaths who feel a need to torture animals. Are animals hurt during this event? I suspect so. They are also terrified. Hardly the act of a noble person is it?
If anyone wants to take part, so be it, they can choose, but the bulls do not.
Thankyou4calling said:
I'm afraid I'm going to stick up for the bull running.
Ive done it and it really is quite something, my Dad ran with the Bulls at age 72 ( and again at 73)
I'd be surprised if more don't come on in favour of the event.
Any injuries are a risk that you factor in and to be honest there aren't that many bull related ones taking into consideration the thousands who take part.
Are the bull poorly treated?
They mostly end up in a bullfight and die by the sword, it's not a humane death but it's a Spanish tradition and long may it continue.
Yeah, whatever happened to bull baiting and cock fighting? Damn that loss of 'tradition'. Not to mention public hangings. And leaving unwanted children out on hillsides to die. Good European cultural stuff of course, but strangely not protected. Maybe you are in a minority in wanting certain traditions maintained? Ive done it and it really is quite something, my Dad ran with the Bulls at age 72 ( and again at 73)
I'd be surprised if more don't come on in favour of the event.
Any injuries are a risk that you factor in and to be honest there aren't that many bull related ones taking into consideration the thousands who take part.
Are the bull poorly treated?
They mostly end up in a bullfight and die by the sword, it's not a humane death but it's a Spanish tradition and long may it continue.
At least you can still go Badger baiting this weekend... Can't you? Don't say they banned that as well.
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