Pamplona Running of the Bulls

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Jasandjules

69,825 posts

228 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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Timmy40 said:
Which do they light the pole or the cat?
The cat.

Oh, and of course the bull one.. Think it is the horns for him but the rest gets badly burnt as a result.

TheGroover

957 posts

274 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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Timmy40 said:
Jasandjules said:
yes catch a cat or dog, tie to a pole then set fire to it - whilst alive of course.
Which do they light the pole or the cat?

I think most of this stuff dates back to before TV and people being able to buy fireworks. Sounds like the Spanish have some good tips for ISIS in terms of evening entertainments.
It seems they set fire to the pole, which in turn sets fire to the Cat. But it's OK as the Cat is fine. apparently it's been through it 3 or 4 times...

http://portugalresident.com/outrage-as-celebrating...

Timmy40

12,915 posts

197 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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Jasandjules said:
Timmy40 said:
Which do they light the pole or the cat?
The cat.

Oh, and of course the bull one.. Think it is the horns for him but the rest gets badly burnt as a result.
Particularly unpleasant people in some ways. I'm going to be controversial and say, do some of these rather nasty traits ( esp in Southern Spain ) relate back to when, relatively recently in history Spain was in fact part of the Caliphate?

Thankyou4calling

10,595 posts

172 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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Koofler said:
Presumably you support them throwing donkeys off of towers too? It being a tradition and all.
I don't know anything at all about throwing donkeys off of towers.

I do know a bit about bull running and bullfighting.

Is it morally wrong? The thing is with morals we pretty much all have different ones and that's why we have laws which vary from country to country.

I went to see my first bullfight in Spain on a family holiday when I was 10, that was 39 years ago and I've seen a good number since. I've never forgotten the spectacle and drama as the day unfolded.

Morally I can fully understand people's abhorrence, I think MMA is wrong but there you go.

I can give countless examples of things that some would think right, some wrong .

Jasandjules

69,825 posts

228 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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Thankyou4calling said:
Is it morally wrong? .
Yes it is.

Anyone who thinks it is acceptable to torture animals to death for fun has something wrong with them.



iphonedyou

9,234 posts

156 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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Paddy_N_Murphy said:
Eh, Are we still talking about Bull running? ?

Oh. Any opinions on walloping a horse down a race track with a whip whilst we are talking about animals running around.

At least the Bulls are running free, not with all sorts of leather do-dads strapped to them and with a midget screaming in their ear.
Cushioned whips and a limit on using even those.

Thankyou4calling

10,595 posts

172 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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This thread could end up with some excellent examples of morals.

Cushioned whips FFS. Next you'll be grouse shooting but only with a stun gun.

The Bulls aren't tortured, they run into the ring amid a frenzied throng. The best fighting bulls are selected to fight a matador. All the Bulls die at the sword, most would anyway whether in a ring or abbattoir.

Personally, I love the spectacle but there we are.

Edited by Thankyou4calling on Tuesday 7th July 16:28

TIGA84

5,204 posts

230 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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Jasandjules said:
Yes it is.

Anyone who thinks it is acceptable to torture animals to death for fun has something wrong with them.
ETA - Directed at Koofler as well as JasandJules

The topic in discussion here is the Bull Running in Pamplona, no bulls are tortured to death in the event, so cats being set light to and donkeys being pushed off buildings have nothing to do with it. The only thing that you are arguing about is the advocacy of the tradition. There are traditions (good and bad) that individuals choose to support, but your argument holds no weight when you digress into the specifics of others and try to use the negative points (such as animal torture) to try to add credibility to your argument for something that you simply don't agree with.



Edited by TIGA84 on Tuesday 7th July 16:24

Koofler

616 posts

165 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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TIGA84 said:
Jasandjules said:
Yes it is.

Anyone who thinks it is acceptable to torture animals to death for fun has something wrong with them.
ETA - Directed at Koofler as well as JasandJules

The topic in discussion here is the Bull Running in Pamplona, no bulls are tortured to death in the event, so cats being set light to and donkeys being pushed off buildings have nothing to do with it. The only thing that you are arguing about is the advocacy of the tradition. There are traditions (good and bad) that individuals choose to support, but your argument holds no weight when you digress into the specifics of others and try to use the negative points (such as animal torture) to try to add credibility to your argument for something that you simply don't agree with.



Edited by TIGA84 on Tuesday 7th July 16:24
I seen some utter st on PH over the years, but this is of the very highest quality. Well done.

judas

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5,963 posts

258 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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TIGA84 said:
Jasandjules said:
Yes it is.

Anyone who thinks it is acceptable to torture animals to death for fun has something wrong with them.
ETA - Directed at Koofler as well as JasandJules

The topic in discussion here is the Bull Running in Pamplona, no bulls are tortured to death in the event, so cats being set light to and donkeys being pushed off buildings have nothing to do with it. The only thing that you are arguing about is the advocacy of the tradition. There are traditions (good and bad) that individuals choose to support, but your argument holds no weight when you digress into the specifics of others and try to use the negative points (such as animal torture) to try to add credibility to your argument for something that you simply don't agree with.
As abhorrent as these other tradition are, I agree. I raised this topic more to discuss the perverse stupidity of the human participants wink

MrBrightSi

2,912 posts

169 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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Always enjoyed the youtube videos of the bull run, especially bulls getting in some pretty good takedowns.

williamp

19,213 posts

272 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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So when you see something like this



Do you feel sorry fof the bull, already bleeding to death in in a position where it cant possibly survive, or feel sorry for the person?

judas

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5,963 posts

258 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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williamp said:
So when you see something like this



Do you feel sorry for the bull, already bleeding to death in in a position where it cant possibly survive, or feel sorry for the person?
Personally, I feel sorry for the bull. As far as I'm concerned the matador's injuries are wholly self-inflicted.

MrBrightSi

2,912 posts

169 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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Terrible for the bull. Take the spears and swords away if you want to taunt and torture one very aggressive animal.

AJS-

15,366 posts

235 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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Timmy40 said:
AJS- said:
The big difference is that slavery actually harms a person. This doesn't.
Apart from the guy who nearly had his arse ripped out?
He went and took part in this, so that's his look out.


jjlynn27 said:

Is there a subject, any subject at all, that you are not angry about?
Fewer and fewer.


Koofler said:
AJS- said:
I don't support slavery. The big difference is that slavery actually harms a person, or even denies his right to be a person at all. This doesn't.
I nearly made the slavery analogy in my earlier post but decided against it. So, in your mind, as long as it is just an animal, anything is fair game.
In my view legislation should exist to protect people and their property.

"Anything" would be a very sweeping way to put it.

Jasandjules

69,825 posts

228 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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TIGA84 said:
The topic in discussion here is the Bull Running in Pamplona, no bulls are tortured to death in the event, so cats being set light to and donkeys being pushed off buildings have nothing to do with it.
It is clear that tradition is the excuse used by many psychopaths who feel a need to torture animals.

Are animals hurt during this event? I suspect so. They are also terrified. Hardly the act of a noble person is it?

If anyone wants to take part, so be it, they can choose, but the bulls do not.

LastLight

1,339 posts

183 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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Thankyou4calling said:
I'm afraid I'm going to stick up for the bull running.

Ive done it and it really is quite something, my Dad ran with the Bulls at age 72 ( and again at 73)

I'd be surprised if more don't come on in favour of the event.

Any injuries are a risk that you factor in and to be honest there aren't that many bull related ones taking into consideration the thousands who take part.

Are the bull poorly treated?

They mostly end up in a bullfight and die by the sword, it's not a humane death but it's a Spanish tradition and long may it continue.
Yeah, whatever happened to bull baiting and cock fighting? Damn that loss of 'tradition'. Not to mention public hangings. And leaving unwanted children out on hillsides to die. Good European cultural stuff of course, but strangely not protected. Maybe you are in a minority in wanting certain traditions maintained?

At least you can still go Badger baiting this weekend... Can't you? Don't say they banned that as well.

Ayahuasca

27,427 posts

278 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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This is on my 'things to do' list.

But not getting bummed by the bull.

Thankyou4calling

10,595 posts

172 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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Ayahuasca said:
This is on my 'things to do' list.

But not getting bummed by the bull.
My tip is go with the Aussies. Dirt cheap and very cheerful.

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

254 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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Our very own Matt was there a few years ago...hehe