Good work Police Scotland

[anonymous-user]

McTory said:

This would of not happened if we were and independent country

This is due to english meddling in police scotland

"would of not happened"? "and independent country"?

Is your lack of education also down to English meddling?

[anonymous-user]

Rovinghawk said:

La Liga said:

I'm not justifying anything other than there's too little information to conclude whether or not they've made an error.

I'm sure they've done a great job.

If not, it'll be due to budget issues.

I'm sure you can only muster sarcasm rather than anything of substance.

[BuzzBravado]

REALIST123 said:

McTory said:

This would of not happened if we were and independent country

This is due to english meddling in police scotland

"would of not happened"? "and independent country"?

Is your lack of education also down to English meddling?

He is joking. Police Scotland is the creation of SNP, and a complete failure at that.

"For reasons currently being investigated, that report was not followed up at the time. Following a call this morning, officers attended the scene."

What what I've seen and heard from friends in Police Scotland is that a decent chunk of calls are not followed up due to simply having no resources to do so.

Edited by BuzzBravado on Thursday 9th July 09:35

[Rovinghawk]

La Liga said:

'm sure you can only muster sarcasm rather than anything of substance.

In the spirit of police Scotland I'll leave it a few days before doing anything substantial.

[anonymous-user]

BuzzBravado said:

What what I've seen and heard from friends in Police Scotland is that a decent chunk of calls are not followed up due to simply having no resources to do so.

What's also interesting about Scotland is that they have quite a lot more police officers per 100k of the population than England and Wales. They have 326 police officers per 100,000, whereas there are 227 officers per 100,000 in England and Wales.

The problem for those in charge with making the required savings is that the financial targets are rather challenging this far down the line. The inverse nature and effect of demand on the public sector greatly aggravates the situation. The police spend more than 80% of their budget on staff. Police officers cannot be made redundant, but you can lose numbers in a predictable(ish) manner through retirement and people leaving to do other things etc, and then not recruiting. The problem here is a political one. Reducing police officers isn't a popular thing, and IIRC, the SNP have pledged to maintain numbers or something similar (whether they have any influence of not I am not sure).

This results in looking at other areas for reductions. The next largest expense is civilian staff. At first the 'non-essential' ones were made redundant, such as cooks, mechanics, IT support. This was supported by non-human savings such as buildings being closed and sold, cars not purchased, cheaper equipment, longer life-cycles for old slow computers etc. Your call centres cost a lot of money and are very 'staff-heavy'. When you're having to make further savings and there are no more assets to sell, you can't manage with fewer cars etc, then even this critical area isn't immune.

Ours is interesting, as we've had to train police officers up as a contingency for if demand becomes too high. That has occurred, so we're now in the position where we're sending police officers to handle calls on occasions.

I don't use savings as an excuse for any old thing, and anyone tempting to draw the inference I am linking the two here should stop and read what I've written once more (RH).

I simply advocate a bit of honesty. There is a threshold where things are impacted, obviously. Yes we want to turn the deficit into a surplus and the Greek situation is a very vivid example of what happens when you don't manage your finances, but to pretend, as the Government does, that the same can be achieved with dramatic budget reductions is, shall we say, 'misleading'.


Edited to delete an incompletely deleted sentence.

Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 9th July 10:20

[Rovinghawk]

La Liga said:

What's the incentive for Chief Constables, whose pensions are retirements young are sage?

Sorry- I don't understand the question.

[anonymous-user]

Eclassy said:

Looks like a civil matter.

Isn't it always?

I'm expecting theft to become a 'civil matter' soon.

"He's got your stuff, you want it back, sort it out between yourselves"



Oh wait, that already happens.

[ikarl]

La Liga said:

hat's also interesting about Scotland is that they have quite a lot more police officers per 100k of the population than England and Wales. They have 326 police officers per 100,000, whereas there are 227 officers per 100,000 in England and Wales.

Genuine question because I don't know the answer (you may)..

Do the Police have more land sq.ft to cover in Scotland vs England/Wales?

[anonymous-user]

A lot more.

There's roughly 2.14 officers per square mile in England and Wales, and 0.57 officers per square mile in Scotland.


30,414 square miles for Scotland with 17,318 officers.
58,335 square miles for England and Wales with 125,000 officers.

[Einion Yrth]

La Liga said:

A lot more.

There's roughly 2.14 officers per square mile in England and Wales, and 0.57 officers per square mile in Scotland.


30,414 square miles for Scotland with 17,318 officers.
58,335 square miles for England and Wales with 125,000 officers.

Quite a lot of Scotland is totally empty though and thus doesn't need much policing.

[johnxjsc1985]

craigdub said:

you sir are a c**k

I think you are far too polite.

[Kiltie]

johnxjsc1985 said:

craigdub said:

you sir are a c**k

I think you are far too polite.

To be clear, is McTory and McWigglebum4th one and the same?

[Hooli]

Einion Yrth said:

La Liga said:

A lot more.

There's roughly 2.14 officers per square mile in England and Wales, and 0.57 officers per square mile in Scotland.


30,414 square miles for Scotland with 17,318 officers.
58,335 square miles for England and Wales with 125,000 officers.

Quite a lot of Scotland is totally empty though and thus doesn't need much policing.

Except when there is a crashed car there & two people dying inside it.

[Einion Yrth]

Hooli said:

Einion Yrth said:

La Liga said:

A lot more.

There's roughly 2.14 officers per square mile in England and Wales, and 0.57 officers per square mile in Scotland.


30,414 square miles for Scotland with 17,318 officers.
58,335 square miles for England and Wales with 125,000 officers.

Quite a lot of Scotland is totally empty though and thus doesn't need much policing.

Except when there is a crashed car there & two people dying inside it.

The places I'm thinking of you'd need a chinook helicopter to get the car there in the first place.

[anonymous-user]

The distribution will be around population density, just as it is in England and Wales. The breakdowns are available with the online as to numbers covering specific areas.

[johnxjsc1985]

Does anyone know why the Ambulance service did not attend?.

[neelyp]

This happened on the motorway near Stirling, it's hardly a rural backwater.
As I mentioned before, the Roads policing division for Central Scotland are based in Stirling and use this section of motorway frequently.
According to the girls family she's in an induced coma due to dehydration.
That the police do not respond to a report of a car off the road on a motorway honestly beggars belief.

[johnxjsc1985]

neelyp said:

This happened on the motorway near Stirling, it's hardly a rural backwater.
As I mentioned before, the Roads policing division for Central Scotland are based in Stirling and use this section of motorway frequently.
According to the girls family she's in an induced coma due to dehydration.
That the police do not respond to a report of a car off the road on a motorway honestly beggars belief.

Given the location and the road being a motorway this really is a terrible situation .
Any word from the leader of the SNP?.

[hornetrider]

neelyp said:

This happened on the motorway near Stirling, it's hardly a rural backwater.
As I mentioned before, the Roads policing division for Central Scotland are based in Stirling and use this section of motorway frequently.
According to the girls family she's in an induced coma due to dehydration.
That the police do not respond to a report of a car off the road on a motorway honestly beggars belief.

I read that, terrible for the poor girl, trapped for days with no water and crash injuries. I hope that the post mortem indicates the poor driver died on impact, because the alternative is horrific.

[anonymous-user]

johnxjsc1985 said:

Does anyone know why the Ambulance service did not attend?.

If it's three 9s the caller will nearly always channel to call to whichever emergency service they require. If it's the slower-time 101 then it'll only go to the police. I assume whichever route were taken the first point of contact were the police.

The emergency services will talk to one another as they receive incidents if it's appropriate. It's very much going to depend on the nature of the call and the information provided as to whether or not other services would be contacted. Unless it's an error by the call handler. I think it's less likely to be further along the chain.