Good work Police Scotland
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johnxjsc1985 said:
neelyp said:
This happened on the motorway near Stirling, it's hardly a rural backwater.
As I mentioned before, the Roads policing division for Central Scotland are based in Stirling and use this section of motorway frequently.
According to the girls family she's in an induced coma due to dehydration.
That the police do not respond to a report of a car off the road on a motorway honestly beggars belief.
Given the location and the road being a motorway this really is a terrible situation .As I mentioned before, the Roads policing division for Central Scotland are based in Stirling and use this section of motorway frequently.
According to the girls family she's in an induced coma due to dehydration.
That the police do not respond to a report of a car off the road on a motorway honestly beggars belief.
Any word from the leader of the SNP?.
robbocop33 said:
Police in Scotland get on my bloody nerves.Just a small example,i'm one person in the Uk,police station is 1 and a half miles from my house,i stay in a small town and they couldn't be arsed driving out when i reported about 15 times about a habitual drink driver going out every night delivering drugs whatever state he was in(once even crawling to his car to drive it!)
So even when he was a potential killer,drug dealer to boot and kept a modified crossbow and guns in his house they never came down once!!.
After that i decided never to call the police about anything,complete and bloody utter waste of time.In fact,it wasnt police scotland at the time,i'll give them a mention though,police station on sea road methil,Fife in Scotland,a
holes!!
Oh,i suppose i'll have to give them the benefit of the doubt,there was once he was so pissed he fell out the car,left lights on and the car running!!and staggered into the house leaving the car at a 45 degree angle to the kerb,but you have to understand how difficult it was for the police to catch him though,THEY HAD TO SEE HIM DRIVING IT!!!!wtf?
Perhaps they were already aware....?So even when he was a potential killer,drug dealer to boot and kept a modified crossbow and guns in his house they never came down once!!.
After that i decided never to call the police about anything,complete and bloody utter waste of time.In fact,it wasnt police scotland at the time,i'll give them a mention though,police station on sea road methil,Fife in Scotland,a
holes!!Oh,i suppose i'll have to give them the benefit of the doubt,there was once he was so pissed he fell out the car,left lights on and the car running!!and staggered into the house leaving the car at a 45 degree angle to the kerb,but you have to understand how difficult it was for the police to catch him though,THEY HAD TO SEE HIM DRIVING IT!!!!wtf?
Road policing policy in Scotland is politically motivated period.
However on the local side there are many dedicated police officers who strive to keep their communities safe.
Not quite the same but maybe a possible explanation.
a few years ago a mate of mine driving up from london to glasgow for christmas. he changes lanes at 70 mph hits a huge puddle and bounces the car of the armco, ripping a wheel off and ending up facing the wrong way on the hard shoulder.
calls police/ ambulance, and they only turned up after someone else also called it in.
the reason being they had literally just cleared up an accident from exactly the same place, the other accident caused by the same puddle.
This was also in scotland...
a few years ago a mate of mine driving up from london to glasgow for christmas. he changes lanes at 70 mph hits a huge puddle and bounces the car of the armco, ripping a wheel off and ending up facing the wrong way on the hard shoulder.
calls police/ ambulance, and they only turned up after someone else also called it in.
the reason being they had literally just cleared up an accident from exactly the same place, the other accident caused by the same puddle.
This was also in scotland...
Don't they normally come out if only to give it a quick onceover and put a "POLICE AWARE sticker on the crashed vehicle, to stop more people calling them about the same thing until it can be cleared away? I've seen those a few times before. Or do they need to be called five times about the same vehicle to trigger "POLICE AWARE" signage application.
This beggars belief.
Saying that, vehicles can go unnoticed for some time. It depends really on what was reported in the initial phonecall.
There is a blue Peugeot 107 sitting 20ft from the A82 near Loch Lomond. It had police tape for a while, but now the ferns have grown up around it and the police tape can no longer be seen. It's been sitting there without being recovered for at least 4 months now, and I wonder how many times it has been reported?
Saying that, vehicles can go unnoticed for some time. It depends really on what was reported in the initial phonecall.
There is a blue Peugeot 107 sitting 20ft from the A82 near Loch Lomond. It had police tape for a while, but now the ferns have grown up around it and the police tape can no longer be seen. It's been sitting there without being recovered for at least 4 months now, and I wonder how many times it has been reported?
La Liga said:
As per my reply in SP&L.
You need to compartmentalise the incident and go through it.
For a start the BBC have written something which hasn't been said by the police. They've written:
In nearly all circumstances when the police are called, an incident is generated and categorised according to the NSIR on an electronic dispatch system. I'm not sure this is the latest document (and if Scotland use the exact same one), but it gives you a flavour of the nature of what they work from: https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa...
It's perfectly possible it's a balls-up from the call handler (or someone else) in terms of recording, categorising and grading the incident. If so, it's rare given the above strict criteria they're trained in, but either way, let's wait until we have more than a few words about it first before we make any conclusions.
Just delete all your post, and type in "The police cocked up, they failed to respond to a reported incident"You need to compartmentalise the incident and go through it.
For a start the BBC have written something which hasn't been said by the police. They've written:
BBC said:
A dead man and a seriously injured woman were found in a crashed car three days after the accident was reported to police, it has emerged.
Whereas the police statement says: police statement said:
As part of our investigation into this incident, it has come to light that a call was made to police late on Sunday morning regarding a car which was reported as being off the road.
The police received a call on Sunday morning about a car off the road. What does that tell us? Not much really. How was it described? How was it reported? How was it recorded? How did the reporting person describe it? Was it reported / interpreted / recorded as a broken down vehicle or anything else that wouldn't generate a police response? Lots of unknowns that could mean it was legitimate not to dispatch resource in the circumstances. In nearly all circumstances when the police are called, an incident is generated and categorised according to the NSIR on an electronic dispatch system. I'm not sure this is the latest document (and if Scotland use the exact same one), but it gives you a flavour of the nature of what they work from: https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa...
It's perfectly possible it's a balls-up from the call handler (or someone else) in terms of recording, categorising and grading the incident. If so, it's rare given the above strict criteria they're trained in, but either way, let's wait until we have more than a few words about it first before we make any conclusions.
JensenA said:
Just delete all your post, and type in "The police cocked up, they failed to respond to a reported incident"
I would, but I've got this annoying habit where I require the facts and circumstances to be known before I draw a firm conclusion. johnxjsc1985 said:
it would be nice if just once someone came out and said it appears we have cocked up and we need to understand why..... I will not hold my breath.
They referred it to the PIRC, who will investigate the matter and try to establish the cause (needing to understand why), and who will make recommendations, where appropriate, to try to prevent it occurring again (assuming mistakes etc were made). Why do they need to say they "appeared to have cocked up?" (which would imply it'd be done quickly). To satisfy people who can't wait until it's investigated properly?
ikarl said:
Just seen this on the news...will be horrible to hear the news coming out from this. Almost hoping that the injured man died quickly and wasn't in agony for days etc
According to the guys father on a news report this evening, he was told his son most likely died on impact given the severity of his injuries. I live about 5 minutes drive from that junction on the motorway. I can't really picture where they could have gone off the motorway altogether due to the amount of barriers. Edited by ikarl on Thursday 9th July 08:10
However there are areas of woodland around that area and i can only imagine the car wasn't easily visible from the road once it crashed. No excuse for the police not following this up. It had been well known since Sunday that the couple were missing, yet no one linked a blue car being spotted off road with the blue car the couple would have been reported as last seen in.
Found this from stv news. video interview with the girls father. The girls father had even unwittingly driven by the scene where they were eventually found.
http://m.stv.tv/news/1324398-lamara-bell-father-dr...
http://m.stv.tv/news/1324398-lamara-bell-father-dr...
Edited by ch108 on Thursday 9th July 21:01
jonnM said:
So for 3 days people just drove past a crashed car with 2 badly injured people inside? 
One radio report said ( I know not if accurately) that people saw the car exit the road and called that in. The fact that no passer by stopped to help (IF the car was visible and especially if someone saw the accident happen) bothers me a bit more more than a possible cock up by the police.johnxjsc1985 said:
JensenA said:
Just delete all your post, and type in "The police cocked up, they failed to respond to a reported incident"
it would be nice if just once someone came out and said it appears we have cocked up and we need to understand why..... I will not hold my breath.Oh no.
Breadvan72 said:
jonnM said:
So for 3 days people just drove past a crashed car with 2 badly injured people inside?
One radio report said ( I know not if accurately) that people saw the car exit the road and called that in. The fact that no passer by stopped to help (IF the car was visible and especially if someone saw the accident happen) bothers me a bit more more than a possible cock up by the police.As for the comment about people just driving past a crashed car for 3 days, if you see the stv video of the girls father being interviewed that I posted, he too drove passed the scene hours after the accident. I don't think he would have driven past his daughters crashed car had he seen it, which brings me to the conclusion that the car was not easily seen from the road.
robbocop33 said:
Police in Scotland get on my bloody nerves.Just a small example,i'm one person in the Uk,police station is 1 and a half miles from my house,i stay in a small town and they couldn't be arsed driving out when i reported about 15 times about a habitual drink driver going out every night delivering drugs whatever state he was in(once even crawling to his car to drive it!)
So even when he was a potential killer,drug dealer to boot and kept a modified crossbow and guns in his house they never came down once!!.
After that i decided never to call the police about anything,complete and bloody utter waste of time.In fact,it wasnt police scotland at the time,i'll give them a mention though,police station on sea road methil,Fife in Scotland,aholes!!
Oh,i suppose i'll have to give them the benefit of the doubt,there was once he was so pissed he fell out the car,left lights on and the car running!!and staggered into the house leaving the car at a 45 degree angle to the kerb,but you have to understand how difficult it was for the police to catch him though,THEY HAD TO SEE HIM DRIVING IT!!!!wtf?
Tweet it or post it on the PS facebook page; it's a lot harder to ignore than a phone call, especially if you do a running commentary. Eventually they'll do something even if it's just calling round to ask you to stop.So even when he was a potential killer,drug dealer to boot and kept a modified crossbow and guns in his house they never came down once!!.
After that i decided never to call the police about anything,complete and bloody utter waste of time.In fact,it wasnt police scotland at the time,i'll give them a mention though,police station on sea road methil,Fife in Scotland,a
holes!!Oh,i suppose i'll have to give them the benefit of the doubt,there was once he was so pissed he fell out the car,left lights on and the car running!!and staggered into the house leaving the car at a 45 degree angle to the kerb,but you have to understand how difficult it was for the police to catch him though,THEY HAD TO SEE HIM DRIVING IT!!!!wtf?
ch108 said:
ikarl said:
Just seen this on the news...will be horrible to hear the news coming out from this. Almost hoping that the injured man died quickly and wasn't in agony for days etc
According to the guys father on a news report this evening, he was told his son most likely died on impact given the severity of his injuries. I live about 5 minutes drive from that junction on the motorway. I can't really picture where they could have gone off the motorway altogether due to the amount of barriers. Edited by ikarl on Thursday 9th July 08:10
However there are areas of woodland around that area and i can only imagine the car wasn't easily visible from the road once it crashed. No excuse for the police not following this up. It had been well known since Sunday that the couple were missing, yet no one linked a blue car being spotted off road with the blue car the couple would have been reported as last seen in.
My guess is the driver realised at the last minute he was on the wrong motorway and swerved onto the M9 and lost control.
There's a picture on the Falkirk Herald website, but I can't seem to upload pictures on my works PC.
neelyp said:
It looks like it was where the motorway splits to go Edinburgh/Glasgow.
My guess is the driver realised at the last minute he was on the wrong motorway and swerved onto the M9 and lost control.
There's a picture on the Falkirk Herald website, but I can't seem to upload pictures on my works PC.
My guess is the driver realised at the last minute he was on the wrong motorway and swerved onto the M9 and lost control.
There's a picture on the Falkirk Herald website, but I can't seem to upload pictures on my works PC.
La Liga said:
hey referred it to the PIRC, who will investigate the matter and try to establish the cause (needing to understand why), and who will make recommendations, where appropriate, to try to prevent it occurring again (assuming mistakes etc were made).
Why do they need to say they "appeared to have cocked up?" (which would imply it'd be done quickly). To satisfy people who can't wait until it's investigated properly?
because they have cocked up and its the "TRUTH". something that the Police are finding it difficult to comprehend these days. They are supposed to serve the Public not ignore them.Why do they need to say they "appeared to have cocked up?" (which would imply it'd be done quickly). To satisfy people who can't wait until it's investigated properly?
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