Tube Strike

[legzr1]

AMG Merc said:

Who are safety critical members (staff?) and who decided that they are? Are they legally responsible for customer safety or just using safety as another excuse?

I normally don't bother responding to anything you post on this thread as its either back-slapping your chums posts or some pithy attempt at getting a bite but I'll humour you here...

Guards and Train managers are safety critical, it's in their job details/title and they receive almost as much training and constant examination / retesting as drivers.
They're responsible for passenger safety ('customer' safety is a term best left to glorified salesmen/marketing types...) and will liaise with the driver and signaller in emergency situations also taking on the safety procedures of the driver if the driver happens to be injured or worse.

You might wonder why they're needed on modern trains running on modern infrastructure - surely the money would be better off in shareholders pockets/cheaper train tickets?

Yes, right up until your trains catches fire, derails, hits a truck who failed to stop at a level crossing etc etc - then you'll be happy that your guard is safety critically trained and has sufficient route knowledge to know that de-training 500'passengers onto a live 750vDC line is probably best avoided.

NDA said:

Having more holidays and higher salaries solves this issue?

Probably as much as confusing two issues with differing disputes at different companies.

Although you've read the past few pages and know that already I guess

blueg33 said:

A good chunk of the issue seems to be removal of safety critical tea selling infrastructure (buffet cars)

That post is around 95% as accurate as every post you've made so far.

Are you in possession of any facts whatsoever?

Slaav said:

This may be fundamentally where the problem lies..... Surely the purer aim is to 'protect the members' rather than 'screw the bastids for as much as possible - why wouldn't we?'

Sad position to come from in my view!

If you consider 'protection' as one of the better 'benefits' then you'll realise they're part and parcel of the same thing.

I don't (and haven't anywhere on this thread') condone a 'screw the bds for everything' policy as anything other than, at best, short sightedness.

Sad if it were true.

Even sadder that some believe that's all any union ever does.

Stedman said:

Or maybe someone hasn't turned up to work, because they don't exist. Or as most would call it 'under staffed'

Don't waste your time - he's been shown the flaw in his thought process so simply moves onto the next inaccurate truth

[Late Turn]

Slaav said:

As someone who almost certainly knows more than almost all of us about the detail, is the RMT behaving honourably in this? As in when the bigger picture is taken and not just for the benefit of their members?

Unless there's an official overtime ban or some other action in place, properly balloted for, then it's unlikely that the RMT has very much to do with it at all (and even then the focus is surely going to be on the TOC for relying on overtime to keep the job running). If they can't cover a job because too many folk have turned down overtime, then it's more likely to be individual decisions (whether that's because they don't feel motivated to help out, or genuinely have other plans). For other delay causes, it's mostly going to be either an individual's genuine error (oversleeping, misreading a diagram etc) or the result of a TOC's strategic planning and decision making (e.g. cutting spare crews right back to save money).

[Laurel Green]

Tube drivers are sick of it.

[RemyMartin]

Laurel Green said:

Tube drivers are sick of it.

Not sure what that has to do with anything.

st stirring by ITV pure and simple.

[technodup]

RemyMartin said:

Laurel Green said:

Tube drivers are sick of it.

Not sure what that has to do with anything.

If they're taking that many sick days they must be overworked. Maybe they'd like some more holidays so they can achieve a better work life balance.

Or maybe they're using sick as 3 weeks additional holidays to their existing 8. That's nearly three months of the year not at work ffs.

One thing's for sure I'd hate to be the HR manager in London Underground.

[Slaav]

FFS - I 'think' my views are reasonable but the RMT especially have one thing in mind... 'Screw the bastids' etc

I'm not sure all Unions do the same but I don't think it is rocket science to acknowledge that some are worse than others?

But if we are going to generalise then I'm happy to go back to an earlier stance; they're all s

Sorry

[Stedman]

RemyMartin said:

Laurel Green said:

Tube drivers are sick of it.

Not sure what that has to do with anything.

st stirring by ITV pure and simple.

I wonder how many do such extreme shifts. I was healthy before the railway, never a day sick; that has changed.

[hornetrider]

Three members have voted for a strike - so let's have a 48 hour strike! Waterloo and City line to be shut for 48 hours.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/road-and-ra...

[fido]

hornetrider said:

Three members have voted for a strike - so let's have a 48 hour strike! Waterloo and City line to be shut for 48 hours.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/road-and-ra...

anyone want to start a 'class action' against RMT - reckon the combined might of city workers could bankrupt RMT?

[CorbynFTW]

Pathetic isn't it.

[onyx39]

fido said:

hornetrider said:

Three members have voted for a strike - so let's have a 48 hour strike! Waterloo and City line to be shut for 48 hours.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/road-and-ra...

anyone want to start a 'class action' against RMT - reckon the combined might of city workers could bankrupt RMT?

The sooner the law changes about strikes the better.

[legzr1]

The sooner it's automated the better.

Damned button-pressing drivers - what are they doing in the control room anyway?....

[alangla]

hornetrider said:

Three members have voted for a strike - so let's have a 48 hour strike! Waterloo and City line to be shut for 48 hours.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/road-and-ra...

I was more surprised the Waterloo & City actually had its own control room. I always thought it was basically operated as an isolated branch of another line (Central line?) Can't imagine it's the most exciting or varied job on the tube.

[iphonedyou]

legzr1 said:

The sooner it's automated the better.

You have, at last, come around.

I'm gratified.

[legzr1]

iphonedyou said:

You have, at last, come around.

I'm gratified.

I'm happy you're happy.

Obviously you're aware that even fully-automated systems need human oversight - let's call them 'control room staff'.


As you were

[Mandalore]

fido said:

hornetrider said:

Three members have voted for a strike - so let's have a 48 hour strike! Waterloo and City line to be shut for 48 hours.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/road-and-ra...

anyone want to start a 'class action' against RMT - reckon the combined might of city workers could bankrupt RMT?

I think just 50p from each person would do it.

It's just a shame that the banks and large / small businesses that loose money over these strikes cannot refuse to serve or process any business RMT members one or two days a year.

[iphonedyou]

legzr1 said:

I'm happy you're happy.

Obviously you're aware that even fully-automated systems need human oversight - let's call them 'control room staff'.


As you were

Having worked in one, you could say I'm 'aware', yes.

[Du1point8]

legzr1 said:

iphonedyou said:

You have, at last, come around.

I'm gratified.

I'm happy you're happy.

Obviously you're aware that even fully-automated systems need human oversight - let's call them 'control room staff'.


As you were

But then you could hire people like ATC and pay them a good wage and not need anyone else, only thing I would say is that no union is involved as we don't need them in the 21st century, maybe 19th/20th, but they are practically redundant now.

[Challo]

alangla said:

hornetrider said:

Three members have voted for a strike - so let's have a 48 hour strike! Waterloo and City line to be shut for 48 hours.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/road-and-ra...

I was more surprised the Waterloo & City actually had its own control room. I always thought it was basically operated as an isolated branch of another line (Central line?) Can't imagine it's the most exciting or varied job on the tube.

So what happens to the 2 staff that are not RMT? Do they still have to work? Also if the RMT get their members a pay increase does this mean the 2 other staff also get pay increases?

[legzr1]

Du1point8 said:

But then you could hire people like ATC and pay them a good wage and not need anyone else, only thing I would say is that no union is involved as we don't need them in the 21st century, maybe 19th/20th, but they are practically redundant now.

And millions disagree