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hidetheelephants said:
JawKnee said:
hidetheelephants said:
technodup said:
JawKnee said:
My prediction is the next government will be a Lab/SNP coalition.
You think English voters are going to a) vote for Corbyn in large numbers and b) accept the SNP, a single issue Scottish party taking power? Dream. On
"“Let me be plain. We’re not going to do a deal with the Scottish National party; we’re not going to have a coalition, we’re not going to have a deal."
Dissimilarily Corbyn holds many of the same views as Ed M, but at least always has, but they are so far left, as to be only appealing to the SWP, Communists, Greens, and his cult members. Which is why the centre ground where elections are won just won't entertain him. He might win amongst his metropolitan socialist friends, and the university yoof but the ordinary working classes out in the provinces in the North, Wales, Midlands, East of England, don't care about Cuba, CND, BME or LGBT rights. They care about the economy, jobs, security, immigration, then maybe some of those other things, but only a little. I know, I know they'll claim he has a plan to win those ordinary people back, but like Ed no one believes it's a credible plan, one remotely likely to be deliverable, due to the enormous ideological baggage that comes with it.
Edited by Northern Munkee on Saturday 23 July 01:00
hidetheelephants said:
JawKnee said:
hidetheelephants said:
technodup said:
JawKnee said:
My prediction is the next government will be a Lab/SNP coalition.
You think English voters are going to a) vote for Corbyn in large numbers and b) accept the SNP, a single issue Scottish party taking power? Dream. On
"“Let me be plain. We’re not going to do a deal with the Scottish National party; we’re not going to have a coalition, we’re not going to have a deal."
First you say he refused to rule it out, then you say, oh actually he did but he left it too late. What will your next back track be?
JawKnee said:
a) They did in May this year. Labour's vote share in England increased after only half a year with JC as leader.
b) It's not just about what the English think. Scotland are a part of the UK, their MPs are just as entitled to lead the country as much as any other MP.
It will happen.
They voted in council elections in full knowledge he wouldn't be running the country ffs. A GE is a totally different proposition. b) It's not just about what the English think. Scotland are a part of the UK, their MPs are just as entitled to lead the country as much as any other MP.
It will happen.
And as a Scot, in Scotland I'm well aware of the SNP and their 'entitlement'.
I've already got a £50 charity bet on another forum that Corbyn won't be PM. I'm more than happy to take your money too- those guide dogs are clever but they don't train themselves...
///ajd said:
Yes it must be. Because it's not like Britains security services have anything more important than the future of the Labour Party to be concerned about at the moment, is it? 
It just proves how self-obssessed, pathetic and paranoid these idiots are. NOTHING is more important than the future of party, Comrade!
Totally hatstand.
The Hypno-Toad said:
Yes it must be. Because it's not like Britains security services have anything more important than the future of the Labour Party to be concerned about at the moment, is it?
It just proves how self-obssessed, pathetic and paranoid these idiots are. NOTHING is more important than the future of party, Comrade!
Totally hatstand.
Totally, even from a dinosaur defying extinction.It just proves how self-obssessed, pathetic and paranoid these idiots are. NOTHING is more important than the future of party, Comrade!
Totally hatstand.
Does anyone else see a remarkable resemblance between the Pro YeSNP supporters and their tactics v those who don't support their view? It's a rather ugly aspect
The SNP leaders gave lip service to rooting it out but nothing Was ever done.
I think Labour have a massive problem / they came to power by deliberately moving to the middle ground and won due to the fact they promised spending on schools and the NHS the public lapped it up - however no one questioned how it would be funded. That moved support away from Torys who were in fighting over Europe and had been ol in power 18 years.
There is not enough left leaning in the population to vote in a lefty labour.
This could and should be Renaissance of LibDems and I can see them winning really / it will swing lib dem to Tory and labour left utterly behind
The SNP leaders gave lip service to rooting it out but nothing Was ever done.
I think Labour have a massive problem / they came to power by deliberately moving to the middle ground and won due to the fact they promised spending on schools and the NHS the public lapped it up - however no one questioned how it would be funded. That moved support away from Torys who were in fighting over Europe and had been ol in power 18 years.
There is not enough left leaning in the population to vote in a lefty labour.
This could and should be Renaissance of LibDems and I can see them winning really / it will swing lib dem to Tory and labour left utterly behind
Welshbeef said:
There is not enough left leaning in the population to vote in a lefty labour.
This could and should be Renaissance of LibDems and I can see them winning really / it will swing lib dem to Tory and labour left utterly behind
I can certainly see Labour voters switching to either the LibDems or UKIP if this current fiasco isn't settled with the removal of Corbyn and as I don't see him going we'll probably end up with 4/5 parties opposing the ToriesThis could and should be Renaissance of LibDems and I can see them winning really / it will swing lib dem to Tory and labour left utterly behind
The Hypno-Toad said:
Yes it must be. Because it's not like Britains security services have anything more important than the future of the Labour Party to be concerned about at the moment, is it?
It just proves how self-obssessed, pathetic and paranoid these idiots are. NOTHING is more important than the future of party, Comrade!
Totally hatstand.
It' not that hatstand. And MI5 have been busy in the past when at the height of the cold war they had a much more serious threat.It just proves how self-obssessed, pathetic and paranoid these idiots are. NOTHING is more important than the future of party, Comrade!
Totally hatstand.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Wilson_conspi...
Black propaganda against leaders from the left isn't that new either.
Smollet said:
I can certainly see Labour voters switching to either the LibDems or UKIP if this current fiasco isn't settled with the removal of Corbyn and as I don't see him going we'll probably end up with 4/5 parties opposing the Tories
I recall Rees-Mogg and a few others a while back stating how important it was for the sake of the Tory party for a strong opposition. Without one, the Torys could fracture, or at least split into their tribes if they deem they are 'safe' enough to act against their real enemy, their opponents in the party. 
Halb said:
I recall Rees-Mogg and a few others a while back stating how important it was for the sake of the Tory party for a strong opposition. Without one, the Torys could fracture, or at least split into their tribes if they deem they are 'safe' enough to act against their real enemy, their opponents in the party.
Agreed. Strong govt is good for the country. Strong opposition to keep them in check is equally important. JawKnee said:
a) They did in May this year. Labour's vote share in England increased after only half a year with JC as leader.
b) It's not just about what the English think. Scotland are a part of the UK, their MPs are just as entitled to lead the country as much as any other MP.
It will happen.
How would that square with the momentum loons? Would they be happy to team up with a party who is very keen on stoking racial/ ethnic divide and has in the past supported the Nazis? Not the pretended Nazis, who question uncontrolled immigration, but the real reinhard heydrich type.b) It's not just about what the English think. Scotland are a part of the UK, their MPs are just as entitled to lead the country as much as any other MP.
It will happen.
nikaiyo2 said:
JawKnee said:
a) They did in May this year. Labour's vote share in England increased after only half a year with JC as leader.
b) It's not just about what the English think. Scotland are a part of the UK, their MPs are just as entitled to lead the country as much as any other MP.
It will happen.
How would that square with the momentum loons? Would they be happy to team up with a party who is very keen on stoking racial/ ethnic divide and has in the past supported the Nazis? Not the pretended Nazis, who question uncontrolled immigration, but the real reinhard heydrich type.b) It's not just about what the English think. Scotland are a part of the UK, their MPs are just as entitled to lead the country as much as any other MP.
It will happen.
JawKnee said:
nikaiyo2 said:
JawKnee said:
a) They did in May this year. Labour's vote share in England increased after only half a year with JC as leader.
b) It's not just about what the English think. Scotland are a part of the UK, their MPs are just as entitled to lead the country as much as any other MP.
It will happen.
How would that square with the momentum loons? Would they be happy to team up with a party who is very keen on stoking racial/ ethnic divide and has in the past supported the Nazis? Not the pretended Nazis, who question uncontrolled immigration, but the real reinhard heydrich type.b) It's not just about what the English think. Scotland are a part of the UK, their MPs are just as entitled to lead the country as much as any other MP.
It will happen.
http://www.scotsman.com/news/mi5-file-links-former...
Also, it has been argued that some of their statements are dog whistle politics to drive a wedge between the Scottish and English.
AstonZagato said:
JawKnee said:
nikaiyo2 said:
JawKnee said:
a) They did in May this year. Labour's vote share in England increased after only half a year with JC as leader.
b) It's not just about what the English think. Scotland are a part of the UK, their MPs are just as entitled to lead the country as much as any other MP.
It will happen.
How would that square with the momentum loons? Would they be happy to team up with a party who is very keen on stoking racial/ ethnic divide and has in the past supported the Nazis? Not the pretended Nazis, who question uncontrolled immigration, but the real reinhard heydrich type.b) It's not just about what the English think. Scotland are a part of the UK, their MPs are just as entitled to lead the country as much as any other MP.
It will happen.
http://www.scotsman.com/news/mi5-file-links-former...
Also, it has been argued that some of their statements are dog whistle politics to drive a wedge between the Scottish and English.
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