Jeremy Corbyn

[///ajd]

Elroy Blue said:

Talking about by-elections.

Liberal Democrat GAIN Totnes (South Hams) from Labour.

This just happened. Apparently Momentum hijacked the local constituency party and put up a hard left candidate who was declared ineligible because they'd been a member for less than a year. They stood as an independent and got thrashed. Momentum wouldn't allow another candidate to stand.

I wonder if Corbyn will whinge about the lack of coverage there

I thought this might get more coverage. Bared mentioned on-line.

[Hosenbugler]

JawKnee said:

Court rules JC should be on the ballot. Sensible decision.

Yes, wonderful news.

[davepoth]

///ajd said:

Elroy Blue said:

Talking about by-elections.

Liberal Democrat GAIN Totnes (South Hams) from Labour.

This just happened. Apparently Momentum hijacked the local constituency party and put up a hard left candidate who was declared ineligible because they'd been a member for less than a year. They stood as an independent and got thrashed. Momentum wouldn't allow another candidate to stand.

I wonder if Corbyn will whinge about the lack of coverage there

I thought this might get more coverage. Bared mentioned on-line.

It was a local council by-election.

[Gogoplata]

davepoth said:

///ajd said:

Elroy Blue said:

Talking about by-elections.

Liberal Democrat GAIN Totnes (South Hams) from Labour.

This just happened. Apparently Momentum hijacked the local constituency party and put up a hard left candidate who was declared ineligible because they'd been a member for less than a year. They stood as an independent and got thrashed. Momentum wouldn't allow another candidate to stand.

I wonder if Corbyn will whinge about the lack of coverage there

I thought this might get more coverage. Bared mentioned on-line.

It was a local council by-election.

What?! I've just checked The Canary and there is no mention of it! Sounds like a MSM smear to me!

[Andy Zarse]

Hosenbugler said:

JawKnee said:

Court rules JC should be on the ballot. Sensible decision.

Yes, wonderful news.

[motco]

Having heard the raving Owen Smith, I am not convinced he's much better anyway.

[irocfan]

motco said:

Having heard the raving Owen Smith, I am not convinced he's much better anyway.

caught a headline on the way home that OS is ahead of Jezza in the opinion polls...

[davepoth]

irocfan said:

caught a headline on the way home that OS is ahead of Jezza in the opinion polls...

Not sure which poll that would be, the latest one I can find has JC at 54% and OS at less than half that.

[Stickyfinger]

irocfan said:

caught a headline on the way home that OS is ahead of Jezza in the opinion polls...

So could a dead fish that had been left in the sun for a day or two

[Biker 1]

Stickyfinger said:

So could a dead fish that had been left in the sun for a day or two

this
Presumably this was some sort of national poll, as opposed to actual Labour party membership poll??

[230TE]

irocfan said:

caught a headline on the way home that OS is ahead of Jezza in the opinion polls...

http://labourlist.org/2016/07/public-prefer-smith-to-corbyn-for-prime-minister-new-poll-shows/

Not a huge amount in it, and Labour voters prefer Corbyn.

[loafer123]

zygalski said:

AstonZagato said:

"The best-paid 1pc already contribute 27pc of the income tax. (They earn about 12pc of salaries). The best-paid 3,000 contribute, on average, £2.6 million in tax per year. To listen to the hype, you’d be forgiven for thinking the richest pay not a penny in tax. The truth is that the UK income tax system is reliant upon a very small number of highly mobile rich people."

If you're on £1m per year gross, then I think we're all in agreement that a monthly net take home of £45k is a struggle.
Maybe some of that money should be invested in a better accountant.

Average income of the top 1% is less than £250k.

[VolvoT5]

Interesting that this is the second bit of research showing the Corbynistas are not completely paranoid when it comes to the "everyone is out to get us" mentality. http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/jeremy-corby...

The mainstream media are basically giving Corbyn the same kind of treatment they give to the likes of Farage or anyone else that doesn't fit nicely into their bubble.

[Bullett]

It's not really that simple though is it.
If I made a crap car would the media be biased if they kept calling it crap?
I don't deny that there is bias but he makes it very easy for them.

[davepoth]

Bullett said:

It's not really that simple though is it.
If I made a crap car would the media be biased if they kept calling it crap?
I don't deny that there is bias but he makes it very easy for them.

True. Both major parties had a leadership crisis at the same time, so it is pretty easy to compare and contrast them. One party has got it sorted out very quickly, without a lot of public recrimination, and they're all pretending to make nice for the good of the country.

The other one...not so much.

[VolvoT5]

Bullett said:

It's not really that simple though is it.
If I made a crap car would the media be biased if they kept calling it crap?
I don't deny that there is bias but he makes it very easy for them.

Maybe? Depends if they were calling it crap and undriveable before they had even had a chance to drive it... and then went to extremes to keep saying how crap it was without mentioning any of the good, or at least less crap aspects. A bit like Clarkson reviewing a Vectra or whatever I suppose.

Given the huge mandate (which to be fair he does love to bang on about) he has within his own party I think he should have been given a reasonable chance and platform to put his views across fairly and fail on his own terms.

The media seem to love to over simplify and sloganise everything and generally suffer from group think IMO. Hence this 'unelectability' thing has become accepted as proven fact when actually Labour has not performed horribly in the few elections that have taken place. Another example is we are endlessly told that Theresa May is a 'safe pair of hands', but her record in the HO was pretty patchy, she has gambled by appointing Boris Johnson and now appears to be using EU migrants right to remain in the UK as a Brexit bargaining chip... yet no one bats an eyelid because she has this 'safe pair of hands' narrative going on. The media was also so fixated on George Osborne being the intelligent chancellor who was always 'laying traps' for the opposition they failed to notice he was the one falling into his own traps half the time.

I don't think Corbyn is PM material but for me the treatment of Corbyn is a signal that something is wrong with the media and establishment in general. It is all highly biased towards the status quo and nobody else gets a fair hearing.... and I include people on the opposite end of the spectrum such as Farage and I don't think it is healthy at all. I really dislike the way debate is shut down in this country with coordinated cries of extremist, racist, sexist, islamophobia.... and so on.

Edited by VolvoT5 on Friday 29th July 18:55

[technodup]

VolvoT5 said:

Another example is we are endlessly told that Theresa May is a 'safe pair of hands', but her record in the HO was pretty patchy, she has gambled by appointing Boris Johnson and now appears to be using EU migrants right to remain in the UK as a Brexit bargaining chip... yet no one bats an eyelid because she has this 'safe pair of hands' narrative going on.

She's got that because she's been around a long time and had a ministerial job for a long time. She's dealt with the media, other ministers and stakeholders, made connections and developed a persona. Likewise Osborne.

Corbyn on the other hand, whilst he's been around forever, he's been hiding on the back benches, sniping at governments of both colours, disloyal to his own and generally being a nobody. He's quite clearly had next to no media attention and seems incapable of dealing with it now. And that's not the media saying that, it's actual examples like every time he sets foot outside his house and there's a reporter there, or the time he shouted down Guru Murthy. Or the time a pretty sympathetic Vice journalist and Labour member interviewed him. He got shirty with him more than once, and also closed a car door on the guy without a thought. Or countless other examples.

That 'not an identikit politician' schtick has pros and cons, as we're seeing. Basically he's a tetchy old prick. New kind of politics my arse. fk him and fk Labour.

[JawKnee]

Thousands turn out to see JC in Hull in the city's biggest rally in 20 years. Very popular.

http://m.hulldailymail.co.uk/turn-out-of-3-000-for...

Owen Smith musters a couple of hundred in Liverpool lol.

[ThunderGuts]

JawKnee said:

Thousands turn out to see JC in Hull in the city's biggest rally in 20 years. Very popular.

http://m.hulldailymail.co.uk/turn-out-of-3-000-for...

Owen Smith musters a couple of hundred in Liverpool lol.

The slow, humiliating destruction of Labour continues.

[Vaud]

JawKnee said:

Thousands turn out to see JC in Hull in the city's biggest rally in 20 years. Very popular.

http://m.hulldailymail.co.uk/turn-out-of-3-000-for...

Owen Smith musters a couple of hundred in Liverpool lol.

Of course he is popular in areas that have low incomes. "Free money, I'll tax the rich, etc"

Winning over Hull isn't his challenge.