Jeremy Corbyn

[Smollet]

Vaud said:

JawKnee said:

Thousands turn out to see JC in Hull in the city's biggest rally in 20 years. Very popular.

http://m.hulldailymail.co.uk/turn-out-of-3-000-for...

Owen Smith musters a couple of hundred in Liverpool lol.

Of course he is popular in areas that have low incomes. "Free money, I'll tax the rich, etc"

Winning over Hull isn't his challenge.

Didn't Hull vote out and Jezza voted in. Most odd

[Twilkes]

VolvoT5 said:

I think he should have been given a reasonable chance and platform to put his views across fairly and fail on his own terms.

Could he not have put his plans on the Labour website or something? He's had a year...

[JawKnee]

Vaud said:

JawKnee said:

Thousands turn out to see JC in Hull in the city's biggest rally in 20 years. Very popular.

http://m.hulldailymail.co.uk/turn-out-of-3-000-for...

Owen Smith musters a couple of hundred in Liverpool lol.

Of course he is popular in areas that have low incomes. "Free money, I'll tax the rich, etc"

Winning over Hull isn't his challenge.

What are you talking about? His heartland is the richest part of the country, London. Seems like he is reaching out to the poorest parts as well. Good news.

[technodup]

Vaud said:

JawKnee said:

Thousands turn out to see JC in Hull in the city's biggest rally in 20 years. Very popular.

Of course he is popular in areas that have low incomes. "Free money, I'll tax the rich, etc"

Winning over Hull isn't his challenge.

Hull Let's see him do that in Winchester or St Alban's or Edinburgh.

Meanwhile he's shat out a C4 debate with Smith next week.

[gazza285]

JawKnee said:

Vaud said:

JawKnee said:

Thousands turn out to see JC in Hull in the city's biggest rally in 20 years. Very popular.

http://m.hulldailymail.co.uk/turn-out-of-3-000-for...

Owen Smith musters a couple of hundred in Liverpool lol.

Of course he is popular in areas that have low incomes. "Free money, I'll tax the rich, etc"

Winning over Hull isn't his challenge.

What are you talking about? His heartland is the richest part of the country, London. Seems like he is reaching out to the poorest parts as well. Good news.

Remind me, when was the last time Hull had an MP other than Labour?

[Johnnytheboy]

JawKnee said:

Vaud said:

JawKnee said:

Thousands turn out to see JC in Hull in the city's biggest rally in 20 years. Very popular.

http://m.hulldailymail.co.uk/turn-out-of-3-000-for...

Owen Smith musters a couple of hundred in Liverpool lol.

Of course he is popular in areas that have low incomes. "Free money, I'll tax the rich, etc"

Winning over Hull isn't his challenge.

What are you talking about? His heartland is the richest part of the country, London. Seems like he is reaching out to the poorest parts as well. Good news.

He needs to win marginal seats, you utter nugget.

[Slaav]

gazza285 said:

JawKnee said:

Vaud said:

JawKnee said:

Thousands turn out to see JC in Hull in the city's biggest rally in 20 years. Very popular.

http://m.hulldailymail.co.uk/turn-out-of-3-000-for...

Owen Smith musters a couple of hundred in Liverpool lol.

Of course he is popular in areas that have low incomes. "Free money, I'll tax the rich, etc"

Winning over Hull isn't his challenge.

What are you talking about? His heartland is the richest part of the country, London. Seems like he is reaching out to the poorest parts as well. Good news.

Remind me, when was the last time Hull had an MP other than Labour?

This X 100

[technodup]

JawKnee said:

What are you talking about? His heartland is the richest part of the country, London. Seems like he is reaching out to the poorest parts as well. Good news.

Are you 14? Because that's the only explanation I have for your level of mental.

London mostly votes Labour (because essentially for all the money there are more poor people than rich people, and a chunk of those 'rich' are hand wringing liberals). st post industrial towns like Hull and Liverpool vote Labour. EVERYWHERE ELSE VOTES TORY/SNP.

Look at the constituency map. Look at the majority in the Commons. Look at possible boundary reform to curtail Labour's inbuilt advantage. And then look at Corbyn's message to Tories/LibDems/SNP voters.

You'll be looking a while...

[JawKnee]

technodup said:

JawKnee said:

What are you talking about? His heartland is the richest part of the country, London. Seems like he is reaching out to the poorest parts as well. Good news.

Are you 14? Because that's the only explanation I have for your level of mental.

London mostly votes Labour (because essentially for all the money there are more poor people than rich people, and a chunk of those 'rich' are hand wringing liberals). st post industrial towns like Hull and Liverpool vote Labour. EVERYWHERE ELSE VOTES TORY/SNP.

Look at the constituency map. Look at the majority in the Commons. Look at possible boundary reform to curtail Labour's inbuilt advantage. And then look at Corbyn's message to Tories/LibDems/SNP voters.

You'll be looking a while...

Calm down, why so SHOUTY SHOUTY INSULTY INSULTY? Sorry if it hurts but Corbyh is very popular in some parts of the country such as the capital and poorer areas. He clearly spans clasa divides. Deal with it.

[gazza285]

JawKnee said:

He clearly spans clasa divides.

No, he does not. He appeals to nobody but die-hard Labour voters, whatever their social class. He does not appeal to the swing voters, which are the ones that matter. He does not even appeal to the moderate Labour voter, who are not party members. He rattles on about how nobody should question his leadership because they don't have the mandate, which sort of makes sense, because he doesn't question the Conservatives, as they have the mandate to rule. He's a bad tempered, stubborn, old fashioned socialist autocrat who offers nothing to this country but silly, outdated dogma. If VIZ did a Student Grant Grown Up strip, this would be what you would get.

[technodup]

JawKnee said:

Sorry if it hurts but Corbyh is very popular in some parts of the country such as the capital and poorer areas. He clearly spans clasa divides. Deal with it.

It doesn't hurt at all, he's giving the Tories a clear run at the next ten years. If he spans class divides how's he doing in this thread?

He appeals to three groups of people, the metropolitan Guardian reading elite of North London, inner city low wagers and trade unionist/student/activist types.

Rural England? Nothing.
Middle England? Nothing.
Scotland? Nothing.

I'll leave you to figure out whether his three groups or mine are larger in size.

Fact is his poll ratings are through the floor with the general electorate. He can preach to the converted of Hull all he likes for all the difference it makes. (None).

[Andy Zarse]

JawKnee said:

Sorry if it hurts but Corbyh is very popular in some parts of the country such as the capital and poorer areas. He clearly spans class divides. Deal with it.

Oh don't worry, the voters will deal with it. And demonstrate the political dead end that is Corbynism.

[davepoth]

And bear in mind that map doesn't include boundary reform. The numbers look positively catastrophic if you take that into account.

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/elections/201...

[SpeedMattersNot]

I have been having a similar discussion with a friend on FB. He's not a typical Labour voter but he is very pro-Corbyn. His reasons for liking him are quite commendable; his honesty, integrity and grass roots nature.

But as I said to him, his biggest failure is assuming only poor people want those qualities from their politicians. If he aimed a bit higher, to a wider audience, he'd probably do pretty well but he has isolated himself from his party, the media and importantly the public.

It's a great shame when in politics the most mortal politician is the least appealing.

More fool us...?

[JawKnee]

technodup said:

JawKnee said:

Sorry if it hurts but Corbyh is very popular in some parts of the country such as the capital and poorer areas. He clearly spans clasa divides. Deal with it.

It doesn't hurt at all, he's giving the Tories a clear run at the next ten years. If he spans class divides how's he doing in this thread?

He appeals to three groups of people, the metropolitan Guardian reading elite of North London, inner city low wagers and trade unionist/student/activist types.

Rural England? Nothing.
Middle England? Nothing.
Scotland? Nothing.

I'll leave you to figure out whether his three groups or mine are larger in size.

Fact is his poll ratings are through the floor with the general electorate. He can preach to the converted of Hull all he likes for all the difference it makes. (None).

Scotland matters not a great deal as the SNP would pick Labour as coalition partners over the Cons any day. Middle and rural England? Unlikely to vote Labour anyway unless we had another Blairite leader. But who honestly wants that? Holding sway over the biggest cities in the country is certainly a strong starting point for JC. 4 years until the next election. UKIP voters already heading back to Labour and plenty of time to win round the voters needed for victory. Can't wait. Just have to put up with this shower for another few years.

[paulrockliffe]

Scotland matters massively because England won't vote for a labour party on hoc to the SNP. Ask Ed about that.

[gazza285]

You think Corbyn would be any good in a coalition? He can't get on with his own party, how do you think he'd get on with another?

It would help if he would post his actual policies on either his website, which has a load of contradictory spouting and daydreamings, or on the Labour Party website, which had exactly zero policies on it.

[turbobloke]

JawKnee said:

4 years until the next election. UKIP voters already heading back to Labour and plenty of time to win round the voters needed for victory. Can't wait. Just have to put up with this shower for another few years.

Yes 4 years to go and at a time when the opposition should be either close to the serving government or ahead of it in the polls, Labour is adrift and it's getting worse.

Last week The Independent said:

The Conservatives have opened up a 16-point lead over Labour, a new poll from ICM shows

The poll, which comes just 13 days into Theresa May’s premiership and could revive speculation of an early general election, shows that Labour’s share of the vote continues to drop steeply. The party is now down to 27 per cent – a figure not seen in ICM polling since October 2009.

Research conducted between July 22 and 24 put the Tories up four points on 43 per cent of the vote. Just last week a YouGov poll gave the Tories and 11-point lead over Labour.

Then with Corbyn fundamentally unelectable (not as Party 'leader' but in a general election) there are boundary changes ahead which will take away the advantage that Labour had when they lost in May 2015.

Oddschecker is showing 6/1 available for a Labour majority in 2020, Corbybites can fill their boots!

[technodup]

JawKnee said:

Scotland matters not a great deal as the SNP would pick Labour as coalition partners over the Cons any day.

So htf is he going to win the election then? Leaving aside any notion of coalition (although I note you're already planning for failure) Scotland had 40odd Labour seats. Now gone, and they're not coming back.

Oh and don't believe a word from the SNP, they're quite happy to side with the Tories when it suits. But if a Lab/SNP coalition is on the cards what we'll get is a Tory majority. Why would England want the SNP in government?

JawKnee said:

Middle and rural England? Unlikely to vote Labour anyway unless we had another Blairite leader. But who honestly wants that?

You know he can't win just by winning the same seats as Miliband did, yes? He lost. So he has to win over Tory/SNP seats and/or hope the LibDems help him out. As for Blair the hundreds of thousands of swing voters who voted for him quite liked him. The only Labour leader to win an election (or 3) since the 70s is probably worth listening to. Unlike you. Or Corbyn.

JawKnee said:

Holding sway over the biggest cities in the country is certainly a strong starting point for JC.

Holding sway in places which already vote Labour means nothing. Zero. Even Miliband could do that. Campaigning in Hull, or Liverpool or Sunderland is quite literally a waste of time. Glasgow on the other hand...or Surrey...

You seem to have a belief that he's somehow going to win 'because Jezza'. He's not.

[230TE]

gazza285 said:

You think Corbyn would be any good in a coalition? He can't get on with his own party, how do you think he'd get on with another?

It would help if he would post his actual policies on either his website, which has a load of contradictory spouting and daydreamings, or on the Labour Party website, which had exactly zero policies on it.

Those Corbyn policies in full:

1. We'll tax the rich, a lot.
2. We'll give all the money to the NHS.
3. Bankers! We'll tax the bankers. Rich bankers.
4. We'll give that money to the NHS as well.
5. We'll cancel Trident, which means more money for the NHS.
6. Did we mention bankers already?