Jeremy Corbyn

[s2art]

AAGR said:

Changing the subject slightly - how can it be that none of what some people call the established 'Labour Big Beasts' - Ed Balls, Yvette Cooper, Alan Johnson, Chukka whatsit, Gordon Brown, etc - don't seem to have had anything useful (or audible, even) to say in recent months ?

Or am I missing something ?

Yes. If that bunch of idiots attacked Corbyn the public might assume Corbyn is better than he is. Why would anyone lend any credence to their views after the last Labour governments performance.

[davepoth]

s2art said:

AAGR said:

Changing the subject slightly - how can it be that none of what some people call the established 'Labour Big Beasts' - Ed Balls, Yvette Cooper, Alan Johnson, Chukka whatsit, Gordon Brown, etc - don't seem to have had anything useful (or audible, even) to say in recent months ?

Or am I missing something ?

Yes. If that bunch of idiots attacked Corbyn the public might assume Corbyn is better than he is. Why would anyone lend any credence to their views after the last Labour governments performance.

All best buddies of Tony "War Crimes" Blair, "That bigoted woman", "Sorry there's no money left", etc. etc. They're all toxic.

[Vaud]

Stickyfinger said:

Vaud said:

though let's face it Brown did us a great favour and was very smart

It just gets better, your on fire tonight ....hahahaha

Unlike you I take a balanced view.

The tests to join the Euro were very smart. Too hard to achieve but kept us out.

On many policies Brown was found lacking. On a few he was right.

FYI I'm not a Labour supporter.

[Smollet]

Vaud said:

Unlike you I take a balanced view.

The tests to join the Euro were very smart. Too hard to achieve but kept us out.

On many policies Brown was found lacking. On a few he was right.

FYI I'm not a Labour supporter.

Brown didn't join the Euro to spite Blair. Just be thankful Blair wasn't anti the Euro otherwise we'd be in it now

[Andy Zarse]

davepoth said:

Halb said:

Interesting position. Khan is planting his flag, he reckons Corbyn will win, but is firing off a few shots anyway.

He's one of very few labour politicians who is genuinely secure in their position. He's saying what everyone else is too scared to say.

The speakers that proceed St. Jeremy at these events bait his Labour colleagues to boos and jeers like kids at a pantomime, then The Messiah comes out and condemns abuse and calls for unity.

[FN2TypeR]

Stickyfinger said:

Vaud said:

though let's face it Brown did us a great favour and was very smart

It just gets better, your on fire tonight ....hahahaha

Nice selective quoting.

In my opinion Vaud is right, Brown did his best to keep us out of the Euro currency and that is a good thing, again, in my opinion.

Whether that was to spite Tony Blair or due to his doubts over the currency and its workings is another question entirely I suppose!

[Stickyfinger]

FN2TypeR said:

Stickyfinger said:

Vaud said:

though let's face it Brown did us a great favour and was very smart

It just gets better, your on fire tonight ....hahahaha

Nice selective quoting.

In my opinion Vaud is right, Brown did his best to keep us out of the Euro currency and that is a good thing, again, in my opinion.

Whether that was to spite Tony Blair or due to his doubts over the currency and its workings is another question entirely I suppose!

Ahhhh, I'm rolling now.....stop stop ..giggle

[AstonZagato]

FN2TypeR said:

Stickyfinger said:

Vaud said:

though let's face it Brown did us a great favour and was very smart

It just gets better, your on fire tonight ....hahahaha

Nice selective quoting.

In my opinion Vaud is right, Brown did his best to keep us out of the Euro currency and that is a good thing, again, in my opinion.

Whether that was to spite Tony Blair or due to his doubts over the currency and its workings is another question entirely I suppose!

I always regarded Brown to be enthusiastic about the Euro (or at most ambivalent). However, he wanted to control the entry not have Tony Brown take the credit. His Five Economic Tests were neatly framed to be utterly subjective. It gave him the freedom to stymie any attempt by Blair to enter and gave him the power to control when the decision would be made.

The British electorate made it clear they would not stand for it. Brown could sit back and smirk that his foresight had kept us out.

[Vaud]

Stickyfinger said:

Ahhhh, I'm rolling now.....stop stop ..giggle

Do you have a constructive responsive?

[Stickyfinger]

Vaud said:

Do you have a constructive responsive?

To those examples, err, guess.

[gruffalo]

Vaud said:

Stickyfinger said:

Vaud said:

though let's face it Brown did us a great favour and was very smart

It just gets better, your on fire tonight ....hahahaha

Unlike you I take a balanced view.

The tests to join the Euro were very smart. Too hard to achieve but kept us out.

On many policies Brown was found lacking. On a few he was right.

FYI I'm not a Labour supporter.

Or did he not take us into the Euro because it would have meant he had to control the governments borrowing to sub 3% of GDP and that would have shown the reality that the good times were only borrowed and not real?

[jmorgan]

Brown did us an excellent favour his last election as PM.

[Vaud]

Stickyfinger said:

To those examples, err, guess.

Okay, I'll guess that your postings will drop once school is back.

How about independence of the BoE?

Edited by Vaud on Monday 22 August 08:01

[Smollet]

Vaud said:

How about independence of the BoE?

Edited by Vaud on Monday 22 August 08:01

Had he let the BoE keep its powers then yes but he set up the FSA to regulate the banks and we all know how well that went under his "guidance ". So all in all Brown was useless in everything he did.

[Vaud]

Smollet said:

Had he let the BoE keep its powers then yes but he set up the FSA to regulate the banks and we all know how well that went under his "guidance ". So all in all Brown was useless in everything he did.

9/10 things I agree.

[FN2TypeR]

Stickyfinger said:

FN2TypeR said:

Stickyfinger said:

Vaud said:

though let's face it Brown did us a great favour and was very smart

It just gets better, your on fire tonight ....hahahaha

Nice selective quoting.

In my opinion Vaud is right, Brown did his best to keep us out of the Euro currency and that is a good thing, again, in my opinion.

Whether that was to spite Tony Blair or due to his doubts over the currency and its workings is another question entirely I suppose!

Ahhhh, I'm rolling now.....stop stop ..giggle

Why? Are you capable of providing a reasoned response to my post? Or are you just a dhead who mooches around the forums and adds zero value to the conversation?

It seems you disagree with me, am I to take it that you think us staying out of the Euro is a bad thing? If so, please tell us all why, I'd love to hear your thoughts on the subject rather than more of your seemingly usual garbage.

Edited by FN2TypeR on Monday 22 August 08:15

[Stickyfinger]

OK, you guys are such Joke killers.

Picking one or two things for an otherwise disastrous chancellorship/PM'ship is the real joke on reflection.

[Halb]

AAGR said:

Changing the subject slightly - how can it be that none of what some people call the established 'Labour Big Beasts' - Ed Balls, Yvette Cooper, Alan Johnson, Chukka whatsit, Gordon Brown, etc - don't seem to have had anything useful (or audible, even) to say in recent months ?

Or am I missing something ?

I'm guessing most can see that the outcome is inevitable and don't wish to join a side that is going to lose, plus may plunge the party into a split, plus sorts like Balls/Brown are just out of it. Cooper was beaten soundly, and Chukka...he's a sly one that is waiting for a time when he can win.

[Vaud]

Stickyfinger said:

OK, you guys are such Joke killers.

Picking one or two things for an otherwise disastrous chancellorship/PM'ship is the real joke on reflection.

Not really, it's called mature debate.

He was a disastrous PM. He was an over ambitious chancellor who stretched our debt to far and allowed poor governance of the city to take place. By parallel, as even Corbyn said of Cameron - he disagreed with many things that he did, but agreed with some (same sex marriage). The same applies to Brown. He was mostly terrible in my view, but not every policy was appalling.

It's important in a reasoned debate to identify both the weaknesses and strengths of an individual.

Your weakness is an inability to debate in a rounded fashion without going "ha ha"; your strength is doing it repeatedly.

[Stickyfinger]

Sadly, the laughter was reasoned.