Jeremy Corbyn

[Robertj21a]

A fairly hopeless shower through the whole Labour Party nowadays. They have no hope of ever getting elected unless they get a worthwhile leader - probably David Miliband. Otherwise it will be farewell to what was a major political party.

[sirtyro]

Is the UK a socialist country?

They always seem to get a lot of people at all these marches and rallies and the left seem to get a lot more media coverage then right/central leaning people do. Personally I hope we don't turn into a socialist country but it seems to be heading in that direction.

[Kermit power]

Ali G said:

Pretty much the end for democracy as has been accepted for several generations, imho.

If the last twenty years has been democracy, we're better off without it. I have been totally unrepresented that entire time.

[technodup]

sirtyro said:

Is the UK a socialist country?

They always seem to get a lot of people at all these marches and rallies and the left seem to get a lot more media coverage then right/central leaning people do. Personally I hope we don't turn into a socialist country but it seems to be heading in that direction.

A survey last week confirmed we're mostly right of centre. Problem is most of us are just getting on with it so are too busy to attend pointless rallies.

[anonymous-user]

[quote=technodup]
quote]We have FAR too many people at university, who end up with loads of debt, no jobs and a chip on their shoulder. Only the best should be there, the rest should be learning trades, getting jobs or starting businesses.

YES

[Smollet]

AmitG said:

Smollet said:

craigjm said:

I think if I was Theresa May I would call an election this afternoon

Unfortunately the criteria of the fixed term parliament dictates she can't unless 2/3 of the house vote for it or there is a succession of votes of no confidence in the government. The days of calling a GE just because it suits are long gone.

I wonder if the Tories could simply repeal the fixed term parliament act, using their existing (small) majority, and then call a GE.

I don't think they will, though. I think May will go to the polls in 2020.

I suspect the HoL would kick it out and I doubt the Tories would go down that route as the boundary changes and the SNP will effectively give them a majority in 2020 anyway.

[230TE]

Halb said:

Cobnapint said:

I was expecting something like 75/25 Corbyn.

The actual result shows that Corby isn't as well liked as he and his right-on supporters thing he is.

He increased his share.

By a whopping 2%, and last time round there were four candidates to split the vote between. It's still a decisive victory for Corbyn, but given that Owen Smith was pretty hopeless, it's a long way short of what I expected. Interesting that Smith did best among pre-2015 Party members - I think the result is just close enough for them to hang on and keep fighting. The centre-Left isn't dead yet.

[Stickyfinger]

230TE said:

By a whopping 2%, and last time round there were four candidates to split the vote between. It's still a decisive victory for Corbyn, but given that Owen Smith was pretty hopeless, it's a long way short of what I expected. Interesting that Smith did best among pre-2015 Party members - I think the result is just close enough for them to hang on and keep fighting. The centre-Left isn't dead yet.

It never will be.

The center left is however "held" by the retards in the Labour party. As such "Exists (always will) but fked for quite some time to come" would be better

[Cobnapint]

Robertj21a said:

A fairly hopeless shower through the whole Labour Party nowadays. They have no hope of ever getting elected unless they get a worthwhile leader - probably David Miliband. Otherwise it will be farewell to what was a major political party.

Sums it up. DM is Labour's white knight and he'll make his move in just over a years time in readiness for 2020.

There is absolutely NO WAY, despite all the sudden bullsh*t about unity within the party this lunchtime, that JC will be allowed to lead Labour into the next GE.

[basherX]

Cobnapint said:

Sums it up. DM is Labour's white knight and he'll make his move in just over a years time in readiness for 2020.

There is absolutely NO WAY, despite all the sudden bullsh*t about unity within the party this lunchtime, that JC will be allowed to lead Labour into the next GE.

I'd agree that there's zero chance of an outbreak of unity. Political parties don't work like that under normal conditions let alone under the current conditions. But I can't see any reasonable means they now have of removing him. Unions, maybe?

[jmorgan]

230TE said:

Halb said:

Cobnapint said:

I was expecting something like 75/25 Corbyn.

The actual result shows that Corby isn't as well liked as he and his right-on supporters thing he is.

He increased his share.

By a whopping 2%, and last time round there were four candidates to split the vote between. It's still a decisive victory for Corbyn, but given that Owen Smith was pretty hopeless, it's a long way short of what I expected. Interesting that Smith did best among pre-2015 Party members - I think the result is just close enough for them to hang on and keep fighting. The centre-Left isn't dead yet.

Smith was ever a chancer and in my mind lacking in ability and if someone with a slim chance took that many votes, would true ability have shone through against his holiness?

[Ian Geary]

For what it's worth, I interviewed for a graduate post recently. Candidates with degrees like media, business studies and even a Masters in interior design!

All useless- no ability to give structured answers, think on the spot or even prepare a simple presentation. They had been conned into a monumental waste of money by an education system that just justifies it's own existence, rather than deliver skills needed by the economy.

I suspect that is is one thing that distinguishes left and right...is education a right for self betterment, or to improve national productivity. I'm centre right, so I think it should do both.

Also worth pointing out, there are no marches for centre right issues because a) there's been no need, and b) everyone is too busy working!

[davepoth]

To be fair to graduates, they've not been taught the required critical thinking skills all through school. That's where grammars and independent schools have a role.

[Oilchange]

What was the post if you don't mind?

[Gogoplata]

sirtyro said:

Is the UK a socialist country?

They always seem to get a lot of people at all these marches and rallies and the left seem to get a lot more media coverage then right/central leaning people do. Personally I hope we don't turn into a socialist country but it seems to be heading in that direction.

I'd say that the UK is a centre-right, capitalist country

From what I can tell; the people who's politics lean to the right, just get on with things without complaint & make their voices heard at the voting booth.

[Murph7355]

steveT350C said:

Are the Scots just generally contrary?

[motco]

Murph7355 said:

steveT350C said:

Are the Scots just generally contrary?

A statement of the bleedin' obvious I'd have thought!

[paulrockliffe]

We haven't had a genuinely left wing government in 50 years. No idea why anyone thinks that's going to change anytime soon, so nothing to worry about. Labour's only trick is BlairII, but his ear means people aren't going to fall for that one again.

[Gargamel]

Reading Jermey's post victory speech today, there was little I could disagree with. Peace not war, A better NHS, Oprotunity for everyone, Less child poverty etc

trouble is, there is no link to the real world, it is all a bit John Lennon. I don't personally set out each day to prevent peace, or increase poverty. But others do, and Jeremy cannot fix it, via the levers of the state.

It's a lovely socialist dream, but the facts of life as Margaret said, are Conservative.

[Don]

Gogoplata said:

sirtyro said:

Is the UK a socialist country?

They always seem to get a lot of people at all these marches and rallies and the left seem to get a lot more media coverage then right/central leaning people do. Personally I hope we don't turn into a socialist country but it seems to be heading in that direction.

I'd say that the UK is a centre-right, capitalist country

From what I can tell; the people who's politics lean to the right, just get on with things without complaint & make their voices heard at the voting booth.

Almost. The UK is a centrist country. Centre-Left can win. Centre-right can win. Blair offered a party that was centre-left and obtained a historic period when the Labour Party retained power. Maggie offered a centre right party. So did Cameron. And now...so does May. Will this keep the Tories in power. Maybe...

Britain is Centrist.