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sidicks said:
The evidence is that the government has started to address the issue - I'm sorry that you can't or don't understand that.
One thing i do understand is that Governments 'address' lots of things. That is absolutely not the same thing as having a long term solution to a problem particularly if, as people keep repeating, the issue here is not one of benefits but one of behaviours. A poxy benefit cap will have zero effect upon the latter, particularly when, as you've implied, it's a pretty fictional cap.
Joey Ramone said:
One thing i do understand is that Governments 'address' lots of things.
You don't seem to understand very much, as you make lots of claims that you can't support, but when challenged, refuse to withdraw any of them.Joey Ramone said:
That is absolutely not the same thing as having a long term solution to a problem particularly if, as people keep repeating, the issue here is not one of benefits but one of behaviours.
Behaviours are driven by external factors, of which benefits is an obvious one HTH.Joey Ramone said:
A poxy benefit cap will have zero effect upon the latter, particularly when, as you've implied, it's a pretty fictional cap.
When did I imply that (or is this where you simply make up something else, without evidence)?sidicks said:
What proportion of the population supported the cap? Over 70% according to this analysis...
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa...
I'm not sure why you keep pushing this line. So what if the public supports it. I support it. But that's not the point is it? The question is how exactly multiple political administrations can alter the attitudes of a large chunk of the population who appear increasingly entrenched in their worldview, how long it will take to do so, and how much it will cost in the long run. Do you really think that such a concerted attempt at social engineering can withstand constant turnovers in leadership, direction, budget and personnel? The Government can't even build a fhttps://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa...
king railway for God's sake, let alone alter human behaviourJoey Ramone said:
sidicks said:
What proportion of the population supported the cap? Over 70% according to this analysis...
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa...
I'm not sure why you keep pushing this line. So what if the public supports it. I support it. But that's not the point is it? The question is how exactly multiple political administrations can alter the attitudes of a large chunk of the population who appear increasingly entrenched in their worldview, how long it will take to do so, and how much it will cost in the long run. Do you really think that such a concerted attempt at social engineering can withstand constant turnovers in leadership, direction, budget and personnel? The Government can't even build a fhttps://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa...
king railway for God's sake, let alone alter human behaviourI'd start by offering rewards for sobbing in cheats.
Joey Ramone said:
I'm not sure why you keep pushing this line. So what if the public supports it. I support it. But that's not the point is it?
Gee, you're pretty stupid. It was only a few post ago that you were claiming it was:"Hardly reflective of the will of the majority,"
It's impossible to have any sort of sensible discussion with people like you when seemingly all you can do is to misrepresent other people, and seemingly contradict yourself too!
Joey Ramone said:
The question is how exactly multiple political administrations can alter the attitudes of a large chunk of the population who appear increasingly entrenched in their worldview, how long it will take to do so, and how much it will cost in the long run. Do you really think that such a concerted attempt at social engineering can withstand constant turnovers in leadership, direction, budget and personnel?
A cap on benefits is hardly a 'concerted attempt at social engineering'.HTH
Joey Ramone said:
The Government can't even build a fking railway for God's sake, let alone alter human behaviour
We do in fact have a railway in this country. king railway for God's sake, let alone alter human behaviourEven I'm bored with this now
Sidicks, I admire your unfailing optimism in the ability of our incompetent civil servants and disinterested and distracted politicians to turn our workshy underclass into thrusting beacons of enthusiasm and productivity in short order. God knows what the evidence for that optimism is but if it makes you happy, then fill your boots. HTH
Sidicks, I admire your unfailing optimism in the ability of our incompetent civil servants and disinterested and distracted politicians to turn our workshy underclass into thrusting beacons of enthusiasm and productivity in short order. God knows what the evidence for that optimism is but if it makes you happy, then fill your boots. HTH
Joey Ramone said:
Even I'm bored with this now
Sidicks, I admire your unfailing optimism in the ability of our incompetent civil servants and disinterested and distracted politicians to turn our workshy underclass into thrusting beacons of enthusiasm and productivity in short order. God knows what the evidence for that optimism is but if it makes you happy, then fill your boots. HTH
More misrepresentation, how dull. I'm just not clear whether it's deliberate or whether you are simply incapable of reading and understanding basic English?Sidicks, I admire your unfailing optimism in the ability of our incompetent civil servants and disinterested and distracted politicians to turn our workshy underclass into thrusting beacons of enthusiasm and productivity in short order. God knows what the evidence for that optimism is but if it makes you happy, then fill your boots. HTH
davepoth said:
Burwood said:
And what services does my warehouse use? I'll tell you. Zero. I pay a service charge for everything to the owner. The council do nit even take my rubbish away.
Whose roads do the trucks that deliver and collect from your warehouse drive on?Rumours abound of circa 85 labour MPs about to walk - there is an embargo on a letter that the BBC have obtained which contains said rumours, that embargo supposedly ends in nine minutes.
If, when and maybe of course, still, that could be interesting!
If, when and maybe of course, still, that could be interesting!
Edited by FN2TypeR on Monday 26th September 07:39
Cobnapint said:
davepoth said:
Burwood said:
And what services does my warehouse use? I'll tell you. Zero. I pay a service charge for everything to the owner. The council do nit even take my rubbish away.
Whose roads do the trucks that deliver and collect from your warehouse drive on?Cobnapint said:
davepoth said:
Burwood said:
And what services does my warehouse use? I'll tell you. Zero. I pay a service charge for everything to the owner. The council do nit even take my rubbish away.
Whose roads do the trucks that deliver and collect from your warehouse drive on?The buy that owns the building had about 200k feet and if that space was empty the council would ask him for 1m quid in rates annually.
FN2TypeR said:
Rumours abound of circa 85 labour MPs about to walk - there is an embargo on a letter that the BBC have obtained which contains said rumours, that embargo supposedly ends in nine minutes.
If, when and maybe of course, still, that could be interesting!
Any update? Nothing on the BBC website so far.If, when and maybe of course, still, that could be interesting!
Edited by FN2TypeR on Monday 26th September 07:39
Cobnapint said:
it's comedy gold alright'he has argued in the past for the nationalisation of the UK's banking system, a rapid expansion of public ownership and a new 60% tax rate for earnings over £100,000'
same old s
t, different day.Cobnapint said:
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