Jeremy Corbyn

[Strocky]

Cobnapint said:

avinalarf said:

Oooops.....he's blown it .....( perhaps that's the wrong phrase to use )
It's been reported that Corbyn has today said that there are NO circumstances that he'd press the nuclear button.

So, he won't sing the National Anthem, won't do his top button up and straighten his tie during a war remembrance, wants to get rid of the Royal Family, would consider giving back the Falklands, and now tells the world that we wouldn't retaliate to nuclear decimation.

Any Labour voters on here want to comment on this Judas..?

He's a Republican, what where you expecting?

[Greenie]

avinalarf said:

Oooops.....he's blown it .....( perhaps that's the wrong phrase to use )
It's been reported that Corbyn has today said that there are NO circumstances that he'd press the nuclear button.

So is the plan he will have to commit to trident or half the shadow cabinet will walk but will not use the deterrent under any circumstance?

Sounds good.

[FredClogs]

Strocky said:

FredClogs said:

I stand corrected, but if you look at the list of record attendances per ground you'll maybe see another picture...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_record_home_...

Your list will be mainly down to the Taylor Report and the need to reduce capacity severely due to all seater stadia and that back in the day, other than a church hall and an organist, football was mainly the only leisure pursuit available to the proles

Indeed, who are now priced out of the market, scarcity of seat leads to increase in ticket prices and a narrowing market - economics 101 - but the point (or question) was - is this sustainable and civil? Likewise, conservative economic policy of enabling those that can afford it access to the premium services and value added markets, thus narrowing where the value exists in any given market - is that sustainable and civil?

[otolith]

FredClogs said:

Indeed, who are now priced out of the market, scarcity of seat leads to increase in ticket prices and a narrowing market - economics 101 - but the point (or question) was - is this sustainable and civil? Likewise, conservative economic policy of enabling those that can afford it access to the premium services and value added markets, thus narrowing where the value exists in any given market - is that sustainable and civil?

If there are more people who want to go to the match than there is space in the stadium, the way our economy works is that you increase the price.

How would you rather it was done? Queuing? A lottery? Party members only?

[andymadmak]

Strocky said:

Cobnapint said:

avinalarf said:

Oooops.....he's blown it .....( perhaps that's the wrong phrase to use )
It's been reported that Corbyn has today said that there are NO circumstances that he'd press the nuclear button.

So, he won't sing the National Anthem, won't do his top button up and straighten his tie during a war remembrance, wants to get rid of the Royal Family, would consider giving back the Falklands, and now tells the world that we wouldn't retaliate to nuclear decimation.

Any Labour voters on here want to comment on this Judas..?

He's a Republican, what where you expecting?

In what way does being a Republican ( a perfectly acceptable opinion to hold) excuse his lack of respect for the war dead, or explain his views on the Falkland Islands, or justify his views on Trident renewal / use?

[andymadmak]

Did not hear his R4 interview, but according to the BBC Mr Corbyn has committed to not using the nuclear deterrent under any circumstances.

So, if he were to win the 2020 election, we would at least have a clear indication of when an enemy attack was likely to commence....

[Strocky]

andymadmak said:

In what way does being a Republican ( a perfectly acceptable opinion to hold) excuse his lack of respect for the war dead, or explain his views on the Falkland Islands, or justify his views on Trident renewal / use?

You're splitting hairs here, his views on the other matters are a matter of public record, I assumed that I wouldn't need to clarify in a short post

For the record, I don't think Corbyn thought his actions where showing a lack of respect to the war dead, if he hadn't shown up, then........

[iphonedyou]

Strocky said:

You're splitting hairs here, his views on the other matters are a matter of public record, I assumed that I wouldn't need to clarify in a short post

For the record, I don't think Corbyn thought his actions where showing a lack of respect to the war dead, if he hadn't shown up, then........

He might not have thought they did, but they did. To a great many people, myself included, looking as he did was disrespect enough. He couldn't make the effort to wear a suit and do his top button up despite the efforts undertaken by those he was there to remember.

[Strocky]

iphonedyou said:

He might not have thought they did, but they did. To a great many people, myself included, looking as he did was disrespect enough. He couldn't make the effort to wear a suit and do his top button up despite the efforts undertaken by those he was there to remember.

He dressed how he usually dressed, it wasn't like he intentionally went out of his way to offend folks is the point I'm making

[iphonedyou]

Strocky said:

He dressed how he usually dressed, it wasn't like he intentionally went out of his way to offend folks is the point I'm making

OK it's just you quoted Andy and that doesn't answer his question. That's why I was confused.

My point, in relation to Andy's question, is that his republican views absolutely don't excuse his utter lack of respect. And dressing how he usually dresses is little excuse, either. It's hardly an every day event.

[otolith]

Strocky said:

He dressed how he usually dressed, it wasn't like he intentionally went out of his way to offend folks is the point I'm making

This is how he dresses when he wants to show respect.



Think the top button is done, albeit the tie is a little loose.

[Andy Zarse]

FredClogs said:

Strocky said:

FredClogs said:

I stand corrected, but if you look at the list of record attendances per ground you'll maybe see another picture...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_record_home_...

Your list will be mainly down to the Taylor Report and the need to reduce capacity severely due to all seater stadia and that back in the day, other than a church hall and an organist, football was mainly the only leisure pursuit available to the proles

Indeed, who are now priced out of the market, scarcity of seat leads to increase in ticket prices and a narrowing market - economics 101 - but the point (or question) was - is this sustainable and civil? Likewise, conservative economic policy of enabling those that can afford it access to the premium services and value added markets, thus narrowing where the value exists in any given market - is that sustainable and civil?

Fred, you really are a complete duffer. You get your arse handed on a plate day after day, normally over your misunderstanding of basic facts or information, and yet you persist...

Seats aren't more scarce since most Premier clubs have either moved to new stadia, or expanded existing stands to create extra seating. Sure some of the old clubs who used to have massive stands like the Holte End, Stretford End etc may have lost some capacity. But the smaller clubs have expanded seating at a far greater rate. The market in seats, and top flight football generally, cannot be said to have narrowed, rather it has expanded exponentially; look at club turnover and distribution of television income.

I went to see Saints play Everton in August, the St Mary's stadium was stuffed full of perfectly normal working class and middle class folk. If anything the fan base is altogether more plural, with plenty of women, ethnic minorities and disabled fans in the crowd. And St Mary's can accommodate double the crowd of The Dell.

What precisely what are you moaning about?

[technodup]

FredClogs said:

I stand corrected, but if you look at the list of record attendances per ground you'll maybe see another picture...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_record_home_...

I can't let that go without saying that if that list included Scotland then Rangers would be at the top with 118.5k at Ibrox.

But OT as has been pointed out there are many things you could accuse Sky or- lowering top level attendances isn't one of them. Further down the leagues would be more interesting. And to shoehorn another Rangers stat in we have the world record for a 4th tier attendance at 50k v Berwick.

I'll stop now.

As for Corbyn I think he's just a curiosity. The commentariat seem to have forgotten that we voted the Tories in just recently. That's the nasty Tories. Labour got mullered on a leftish ticket. Who on earth actually thinks what those Tory and swing voters really wanted was a more left version of Miliband?

I watched a video of Owen Jones yesterday and for once he called it right. All these new members will want to see Corbyn go left. The PLP don't want to go left. Corbyn has to balance keeping the PLP onside with satisfying the activist left, all the while reaching out to the wider public too. If he can't (and let's be honest who could appeal to everybody) the wave of enthusiasm and activism will subside and they'll be back where they started. fked.

[bradders]

FredClogs said:

I stand corrected, but if you look at the list of record attendances per ground you'll maybe see another picture...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_record_home_...

Interesting statistics.....

So, out of 92 clubs, only 10 show record attendances after the end of the 80's, of which, 6 of the ten are clubs that entered the football league in that period, and 2 of the ten built new grounds with higher capacities. In isolation, that does indeed seem to back your point, given the Premier League only began in 1992/93.

However, only 14 clubs (of 92 listed) recorded their highest attendance after the end of the 60's. Only four more clubs in two decades of football. So the rot that you paint being the result of the Premier League again doesn't add up - it began way sooner. At a time when prices were still low, and everyone could still attend.

So, what caused attendances to fall, end of the 60's onwards.....? Not the Premier League, as we can see only rising attendances since it began. People were not priced out in the 70's and 80's. There was not a scarcity of seats then either.

As others have alluded - the Taylor Report, and all seater stadia contributed to fewer record attendances later on - but I will throw in violence and lack of overall quality of entertainment much sooner than that - only four record attendances in the 70's and 80's.

When the money arrived, and stadia went all seater, and the overall product improved, the crowd averages rose - 1989 onwards. Is it sustainable and civil? Growth from 1989 to 2004, and stability to 2014 suggest so.

[FredClogs]

Andy Zarse said:

FredClogs said:

Strocky said:

FredClogs said:

I stand corrected, but if you look at the list of record attendances per ground you'll maybe see another picture...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_record_home_...

Your list will be mainly down to the Taylor Report and the need to reduce capacity severely due to all seater stadia and that back in the day, other than a church hall and an organist, football was mainly the only leisure pursuit available to the proles

Indeed, who are now priced out of the market, scarcity of seat leads to increase in ticket prices and a narrowing market - economics 101 - but the point (or question) was - is this sustainable and civil? Likewise, conservative economic policy of enabling those that can afford it access to the premium services and value added markets, thus narrowing where the value exists in any given market - is that sustainable and civil?

Fred, you really are a complete duffer. You get your arse handed on a plate day after day, normally over your misunderstanding of basic facts or information, and yet you persist...

Seats aren't more scarce since most Premier clubs have either moved to new stadia, or expanded existing stands to create extra seating. Sure some of the old clubs who used to have massive stands like the Holte End, Stretford End etc may have lost some capacity. But the smaller clubs have expanded seating at a far greater rate. The market in seats, and top flight football generally, cannot be said to have narrowed, rather it has expanded exponentially; look at club turnover and distribution of television income.

I went to see Saints play Everton in August, the St Mary's stadium was stuffed full of perfectly normal working class and middle class folk. If anything the fan base is altogether more plural, with plenty of women, ethnic minorities and disabled fans in the crowd. And St Mary's can accommodate double the crowd of The Dell.

What precisely what are you moaning about?

The cost of watching football is rising, and fast...

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/29614980

Watching it at home is becoming prohibitively expensive for a lot of people, the crowd may be more plural but they're certainly wealthier (Southampton's record attendance at St Mary's was in 2012, the year they promoted back to the prem) and if that trend continues the niche of people able to attend and view games will narrow... Is this desirable, does it create a sustainable economy?

I don't call you names, you don't have to reply or even read my posts, I don't know what you think you can achieve by not engaging the argument properly and throwing around petty minded insults.

[andy-xr]

andymadmak said:

Did not hear his R4 interview,

Niether did I. What I did see what Jeremy Corbyn being shown where his ahole was by Eamonn Holmes this morning while I was sat waiting to have some new tyres fitted.

I cant quite work out if Jeremy Corbyn isnt ready for the Labour party or if the rest of us just havent caught up with where he is

[Strocky]

otolith said:

This is how he dresses when he wants to show respect.



Think the top button is done, albeit the tie is a little loose.

When was that pic taken?

[otolith]

Strocky said:

When was that pic taken?

Benn's funeral.

[Strocky]

technodup said:

can't let that go without saying that if that list included Scotland then Rangers would be at the top with 118.5k at Ibrox.

[b]But OT as has been pointed out there are many things you could accuse Sky or- lowering top level attendances isn't one of them. Further down the leagues would be more interesting. And to shoehorn another Rangers stat in we have the world record for a 4th tier attendance at 50k v Berwick. [b]

I'll stop now.

As for Corbyn I think he's just a curiosity. The commentariat seem to have forgotten that we voted the Tories in just recently. That's the nasty Tories. Labour got mullered on a leftish ticket. Who on earth actually thinks what those Tory and swing voters really wanted was a more left version of Miliband?

I watched a video of Owen Jones yesterday and for once he called it right. All these new members will want to see Corbyn go left. The PLP don't want to go left. Corbyn has to balance keeping the PLP onside with satisfying the activist left, all the while reaching out to the wider public too. If he can't (and let's be honest who could appeal to everybody) the wave of enthusiasm and activism will subside and they'll be back where they started. fked.

You should have stopped before you posted your stat

It was'nt even a Scottish Record

http://www.scottishleague.net/forum/viewtopic.php?...

[Strocky]

otolith said:

Benn's funeral.

Cheers!!