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legzr1 said:
Who knows what they might achieve - perhaps absolutely nothing which would cheer you up no doubt - but if even 10% became vocal activists, who knows? You don't 
We don't know, so it might be best to start with what we do know. What you and Labour need to study and understand is how Labour win and lose elections (assuming that is the aim- is it?). All the evidence is there. Then you can make a plan how to win next time. Clue: assuming an anti-Blairite stance is a curious way to start.
Labour had plenty vocal activists from Owen Jones to Russell Brand and it didn't make any difference last time.
technodup said:
50k spread across the UK means f
k all except to the deluded.
I disagree. 50,000 crustys, students, greenists and trade union wonks does mean a lot; it means policies that no longer appeal to millions of people in the middle ground who actually have aspirations for themselves and their children. At least Miliband, Brown and Blair were actually intelligent, if IMO misguided. EE Corbyn is a fvcking idiot. k all except to the deluded.fblm said:
I disagree. 50,000 crustys, students, greenists and trade union wonks does mean a lot; it means policies that no longer appeal to millions of people in the middle ground who actually have aspirations for themselves and their children. At least Miliband, Brown and Blair were actually intelligent, if IMO misguided. EE Corbyn is a fvcking idiot.
Quite. It's 50,000 people that'll vote for a party that's utterly shafted and is, in effect, unelectable. I'd say every Conservative supporter that paid their 3 quid is delighted with that result.technodup said:
love the way you think you're being smart whilst completely ignoring the evidence right in front of your face.
Me?Smart?
Hardly.
I don't kneel before the God of greed and I don't think the mark of a man (or species) should be measured by their bank balance.
You and your Tory chums operate on a different level to me and I'm thankful for that small mercy.
Now, this evidence?
Of what?
All I've said is you've dismissed 50,000 new Labour members without a thought and that it matters to no one - I disagree and say it matters to those 50,000.
Is there anything else?
legzr1 said:
I don't kneel before the God of greed and I don't think the mark of a man (or species) should be measured by their bank balance.
You and your Tory chums operate on a different level to me and I'm thankful for that small mercy.
Amazing how so many lefties (apparently) can't defend their own positions so simply resort to misrepresenting what other people allegedly stand for...You and your Tory chums operate on a different level to me and I'm thankful for that small mercy.
sidicks said:
Amazing how so many lefties (apparently) can't defend their own positions so simply resort to misrepresenting what other people allegedly stand for...
Zzzzz...You prefer sneering condescension?
Go away and stop addressing me - you know my opinion of you and your outlook on life.
look! Some £££££'s ....go fetch boy.
legzr1 said:
Zzzzz...
You prefer sneering condescension?
Go away and stop addressing me - you know my opinion of you and your outlook on life.
look! Some £££££'s ....go fetch boy.
No, I know your misrespresentation of my outlook, as perfectly exemplified by the post above and your previous post.You prefer sneering condescension?
Go away and stop addressing me - you know my opinion of you and your outlook on life.
look! Some £££££'s ....go fetch boy.
I guess this sort of misrepresentation must somehow make you feel better about yourself, as the knowledge that many 'nasty right-wingers' do far, far more than you to help the poorest in society would clearly blow your mind...
legzr1 said:
I don't kneel before the God of greed and I don't think the mark of a man (or species) should be measured by their bank balance.
Money in itself isn't important, but having enough of it lets you and your family have and do the things that make life worth living. Nice house in a decent area, nice car, holidays, restaurants, retirement savings, all the expensive things that kids want, that's worth working hard for imo.legzr1 said:
I don't kneel before the God of greed and I don't think the mark of a man (or species) should be measured by their bank balance.
I measure philanthropists who use their own hard earned to help others considerably more favourably than politicians and their lickspittle acolytes who want to use everybody else's. As long as a man can provide for himself I have no interest in his bank balance, and neither should the state or anyone else.legzr1 said:
Now, this evidence?
Of what?
Elections won and lost. I've made some nice colourful clues to get you started.Of what?
Foot
Kinnock
Kinnock
Blair
Blair
Blair
Brown
Miliband
Corbyn?
legzr1 said:
All I've said is you've dismissed 50,000 new Labour members without a thought and that it matters to no one - I disagree and say it matters to those 50,000.
I'm sure it does mean something to them, but unless every one of them persuades another 100 each it doesn't matter. He needs to swing Tories in their hundreds of thousands, not sign up the already disaffected who would have voted for Labour anyway.sidicks said:
No, I know your misrespresentation of my outlook, as perfectly exemplified by the post above and your previous post.
I guess this sort of misrepresentation must somehow make you feel better about yourself, as the knowledge that many 'nasty right-wingers' do far, far more than you to help the poorest in society would clearly blow your mind...
Again, stop addressing me - your ramblings and sly weasel words mean nothing to me.I guess this sort of misrepresentation must somehow make you feel better about yourself, as the knowledge that many 'nasty right-wingers' do far, far more than you to help the poorest in society would clearly blow your mind...
Don't waste my time - to coin one of your phrases "add to the thread or f
k off".Or go running to teacher - either way, I don't care.
legzr1 said:
Again, stop addressing me - your ramblings and sly weasel words mean nothing to me.
At least it allows others to see you for what you are!legzr1 said:
Don't waste my time - to coin one of your phrases "add to the thread or fk off".
Again, it seems that other people share similar views to mine and if you're going to cast aspersions on those who don't agree with you on this thread then don't be surprised if people try and defend themselves on this thread.k off".HTH
sidicks said:
Again, it seems that other people share similar views to mine and if you're going to cast aspersions on those who don't agree with you on this thread then don't be surprised if people try and defend themselves on this thread.
HTH
Are you thick or having difficulty reading?HTH
Stop addressing me please - we don't need you pissing your knickers again
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