Jeremy Corbyn

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CorbynForTheBin

12,230 posts

193 months

Sunday 4th October 2015
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RichB said:
I have to say I gave up on the "Tube thread" because of Lagzr's rude attitude. It's just unpleasant and necessary. I come on Pistonheads for a bit of fun not a full scale argument so I just de-followed the thread.
I just saw him as being bitter, for some reason. Time for him to grow up tbh.

legzr1

3,843 posts

138 months

Monday 5th October 2015
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RichB said:
Indeed I did. Sorry you see it that that way, it didn't occur to me as an issue as "the tube thread" had already been mentioned here.
It's no real issue, just a shame you didn't mention it on the other thread.

Interesting that you cut the rest of my post. Maybe the language and tone used by many was fair in your opinion because of the subject matter - right wingers/learners are tolerant until their precious commute is threatened by strike?



Sidicks, please hush - as said many times, I've no interest in engaging with you any longer.

sidicks

25,218 posts

220 months

Monday 5th October 2015
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legzr1 said:
Interesting that you cut the rest of my post. Maybe the language and tone used by many was fair in your opinion because of the subject matter - right wingers/learners are tolerant until their precious commute is threatened by strike?

Sidicks, please hush - as said many times, I've no interest in engaging with you any longer.
As I've said many times, feel free to ignore my posts but don't try and bully me off the forum.

The excuses that your have used to justify your aggressive and abusive behaviour simply do not apply to your interaction with me and while I know that you have no qualms about misrepresenting what other people have said or believe, I want to make it clear to other people on the forum that (as far as I'm aware) I've not used the terminology that you've mentioned.

Blib

43,789 posts

196 months

Monday 5th October 2015
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Apparently, Corbyn will be breaking a tabboo today when he joins a demonstration during party conference month.

It's not the done thing. By all accounts.


legzr1

3,843 posts

138 months

Monday 5th October 2015
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Blib said:
Apparently, Corbyn will be breaking a tabboo today when he joins a demonstration during party conference month.

It's not the done thing. By all accounts.

He's continuing to ruffle a few establishment feathers - good.

Here's hoping he behaves a little better than some of the absolute fools over the past 24 hours.

Rick_1138

3,656 posts

177 months

Monday 5th October 2015
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legzr1 said:
Blib said:
Apparently, Corbyn will be breaking a tabboo today when he joins a demonstration during party conference month.

It's not the done thing. By all accounts.

He's continuing to ruffle a few establishment feathers - good.

Here's hoping he behaves a little better than some of the absolute fools over the past 24 hours.
He would behave better by following understood and accepted protocol of not getting all shouty outside the oppositions main conference.

It just makes him look like a diet version of Tommy Sheridan.

He will lose respect and look less likely to be able to actually form a workable govt to most swing voters.

He isn't helping his cause among the moderate UK voters.

legzr1

3,843 posts

138 months

Monday 5th October 2015
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Sticking to his principles, for better or worse.

iphonedyou

9,234 posts

156 months

Monday 5th October 2015
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anonymous said:
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Is that how low standards have fallen? A big gold star for, what, not behaving riotously and getting arrested?

A race to the bottom, indeed.

legzr1

3,843 posts

138 months

Monday 5th October 2015
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The source is inaccurate / the Ch. In is a leftie / GMP are paid with my taxes so should shut up.


Delete as applicable.


Maybe...

technodup

7,576 posts

129 months

Monday 5th October 2015
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legzr1 said:
Sticking to his principles, for better or worse.
Principles are fine and commendable. But his views, allied to a continued breaking of traditions and protocols will not endear him with the public.

I have a certain respect for someone who stick to his line no matter what. But he's a potential future Prime Minister who would have to deal with difficult situations and people. Nuance and negotiation are things he seems incapable of so I wouldn't fancy him batting for me.

It plays to the gallery, the activists, the 50k, the Twits rejoicing that 'Red Tory' Adonis has gone but the rest of us? The majority?

Not so much.

The Don of Croy

5,975 posts

158 months

Monday 5th October 2015
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durbster said:
Good for you. However, the point is that not everyone has worked hard for their wealth.

There must be a point where the wealth gap is just too ridiculous and needs to be addressed. Under the current financial system, a single person is able to become a multi-billionaire for a few months work. That suggests that something is probably a bit broken.

Distributing wealth based on how hard people work is fine but the fact is we are not doing that. Unless the suggestion is that the boss of Apple works 100 billion times harder than one of their junior developers.
Not sure if serious? You did read that article - where it states the founder of WhatsApp was a refugee from Ukraine who's family lived on food stamps when they reached the US? That was when he was a teenager, and he is now 38 so his rise to mega-wealth (by providing a service people wanted) has taken more than 'a few months'.

The boss of Apple may work harder than a junior developer, but he may also possess other skills and talents that enable him to multiply his earnings. As long as the junior has the same opportunities, why worry/legislate to alter things?

durbster

10,223 posts

221 months

Monday 5th October 2015
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Bullett said:
durbster said:
Good for you. However, the point is that not everyone has worked hard for their wealth.

Under the current financial system, a single person is able to become a multi-billionaire for a few months work.
Re you suggesting he didn't work for that success? and how do you get a few week? He had to learn his craft, then left a job to start a business which he has built up over 8 years. He employs people directly pays tax and provides a service people are prepared to pay for and want.
As an added bonus he should be a poster child for social mobility coming from an immigrant family and surviving on the breadline.

It's amazing how many overnight success stories actually took 20 years to happen.
Yep, that's true but in those twenty years you go through x tiers of an education system, you have to learn to code so will have read books, followed tutorials online, worked with other developers. You may have been inspired by managers, bosses or other people. You will have nicked bits and bobs of code from other people. You might have taken a loan from a mate to start your business or borrowed equipment from friends to get you going. You might have been bullied at school which gave you the drive to succeed or been given some life advice from a late night encounter with a drunken tramp that inspired you to write an app.

The point is nobody is entirely responsible for their success. We are all a product of our experience and the society we grow up in.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for capitalism and am extremely grateful to be living in a capitalist society.

And I have no problem with people who have done well out of the system. I don't envy them at all; just as I wouldn't expect the poorest African to be envious of my life. I think Elon Musk is doing some amazing things with his fortune so I'm more than happy for him to have his dollars.

All I'm saying is that it's absolutely crucial that the Government keeps business in check. Basically, money is a game and the Government must either play it as well as business, or change the rules. Business should never be in the position where it has more power than Government. We can't vote business out.

Fantic SuperT

887 posts

219 months

Monday 5th October 2015
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durbster said:
Business should never be in the position where it has more power than Government. We can't vote business out.
I believe it was the wealth and power of business that drove English royalty into reluctantly accepting an elected chamber in the house of parliament.
Most businesses pay taxes but none can vote.

RichB

51,429 posts

283 months

Monday 5th October 2015
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legzr1 said:
RichB said:
Indeed I did. Sorry you see it that that way, it didn't occur to me as an issue as "the tube thread" had already been mentioned here.
It's no real issue, just a shame you didn't mention it on the other thread. Interesting that you cut the rest of my post. Maybe the language and tone used by many was fair in your opinion because of the subject matter - right wingers/learners are tolerant until their precious commute is threatened by strike

Sidicks, please hush - as said many times, I've no interest in engaging with you any longer.
Oh FFS, your post is there in full a few comments further back in this thread if anyone is interested. Why do you always think there's an ulterior motive for something, I just cut to the salient bit. Anyway, I thought this was the more tolerant Legzr1? You still seem pretty spikey to me! banghead

Mrr T

12,151 posts

264 months

Monday 5th October 2015
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Fantic SuperT said:
durbster said:
Business should never be in the position where it has more power than Government. We can't vote business out.
I believe it was the wealth and power of business that drove English royalty into reluctantly accepting an elected chamber in the house of parliament.
Most businesses pay taxes but none can vote.
No their shareholders pay the tax in lower dividends.

Funk

26,254 posts

208 months

Monday 5th October 2015
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legzr1 said:
technodup said:
love the way you think you're being smart whilst completely ignoring the evidence right in front of your face.
Me?
Smart?

Hardly.

I don't kneel before the God of greed and I don't think the mark of a man (or species) should be measured by their bank balance.

You and your Tory chums operate on a different level to me and I'm thankful for that small mercy.


Now, this evidence?
Of what?

All I've said is you've dismissed 50,000 new Labour members without a thought and that it matters to no one - I disagree and say it matters to those 50,000.

Is there anything else?
Bill Gates - one of nasty 'greedy' men with a whopping bank balance that you mention - has done more from a philanthropic perspective than anyone else in history. Currently through his foundation he's given away $29Bn. Twenty-nine billion dollars.

Oh, and another of those evil, nasty 'wealthy men' - Warren Buffett - has pledged the majority of his $70Bn of his fortune to the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation to be used for charity work.

It takes people with serious sums of money to do serious amounts of good and I'll take them over the faux, 'champagne socialists' any day of the week. As Thatcher famously said, the problem with socialists is that eventually they run out of other peoples' money.

ellroy

7,000 posts

224 months

Monday 5th October 2015
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Mrr T said:
No their shareholders pay the tax in lower dividends.
On money, that's been probabaly invested from funds they earnt and paid income tax and NI on in the first place, after the business has paid corporation tax and VAT, whilst employing people who also pay income tax and NI, before they even buy anything, such as property, stamp duty, food or clothes, VAT again etc etc

Yeah, business is really bad. Remind me again how public services are paid for?

legzr1

3,843 posts

138 months

Monday 5th October 2015
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RichB said:
h FFS, your post is there in full a few comments further back in this thread if anyone is interested. Why do you always think there's an ulterior motive for something, I just cut to the salient bit. Anyway, I thought this was the more tolerant Legzr1? You still seem pretty spikey to me! banghead
Calm down, this IS tolerant Legz!

spikey can be good, scepticism healthy.

legzr1

3,843 posts

138 months

Monday 5th October 2015
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Funk said:
legzr1 said:
technodup said:
love the way you think you're being smart whilst completely ignoring the evidence right in front of your face.
Me?
Smart?

Hardly.

I don't kneel before the God of greed and I don't think the mark of a man (or species) should be measured by their bank balance.

You and your Tory chums operate on a different level to me and I'm thankful for that small mercy.


Now, this evidence?
Of what?

All I've said is you've dismissed 50,000 new Labour members without a thought and that it matters to no one - I disagree and say it matters to those 50,000.

Is there anything else?
Bill Gates - one of nasty 'greedy' men with a whopping bank balance that you mention - has done more from a philanthropic perspective than anyone else in history. Currently through his foundation he's given away $29Bn. Twenty-nine billion dollars.

Oh, and another of those evil, nasty 'wealthy men' - Warren Buffett - has pledged the majority of his $70Bn of his fortune to the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation to be used for charity work.

It takes people with serious sums of money to do serious amounts of good and I'll take them over the faux, 'champagne socialists' any day of the week. As Thatcher famously said, the problem with socialists is that eventually they run out of other peoples' money.
Good for them and good for you.

Now, wtf has that got to do with me or my post?

Personally, I'm more impressed with the 75 year old widower handing over the last of her change to a homeless teenager than the mega wealthy giving away a large percentage of their billions leaving them with a few odd billion (although both cases are 'good').

And please stop putting words in my mouth. smile

RYH64E

7,960 posts

243 months

Monday 5th October 2015
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legzr1 said:
Good for them and good for you.

Now, wtf has that got to do with me or my post?

Personally, I'm more impressed with the 75 year old widower handing over the last of her change to a homeless teenager than the mega wealthy giving away a large percentage of their billions leaving them with a few odd billion (although both cases are 'good').

And please stop putting words in my mouth. smile
I'm sure the widower in your example is both noble and inspiring, however in practical terms the billions of dollars donated by the filthy capitalist pigs will be of more practical use to the lucky recipients.

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