Jeremy Corbyn

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turbobloke

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260 months

Thursday 8th October 2015
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George Osborne is to Cameron as Brown was to Blair.
Except without the screwing everything up bit.
hehe

It's funnier because it's true.

Are folks writing off a BJ special and anointing TBG as an automatic shoo-in for CMD's lime green tie?

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Against expectations I think GO has actually proven to be a fairly competent Chancellor and hasn't been afraid to pinch good ideas from across the House rather than take a contrary position just because something was a Labour idea. It's worked well overall I think.

However, could I see him as PM? Not really. Agree on the comments about Ruth Davidson, she was impressive in the run up to the indy ref.

BJ is a surprisingly sharp operator beneath the façade of buffoonery and he seems to manage to strike the balance between being able to appear to say what most people are thinking whilst still managing to toe the party line. Not sure I can see him as PM though; would he be taken seriously abroad and in negotiations?
Yes, as his working persona is allegedly quite different to his public image of mop-haired joker.

He could be the most entertaining PM for some time and still cut the deals.

Zod

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258 months

Thursday 8th October 2015
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According to Labour.

DMN

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139 months

Thursday 8th October 2015
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This section would be nothing without all the faux outrage.

Sway

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194 months

Thursday 8th October 2015
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Yet he managed to gain re-election as mayor of a decidedly left leaning city...

His record has been bloody brilliant. Not perfect, bit he does deliver for London - and the majority of Londoners recognise that.

turbobloke

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Thursday 8th October 2015
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Yet he managed to gain re-election as mayor of a decidedly left leaning city...

His record has been bloody brilliant. Not perfect, bit he does deliver for London - and the majority of Londoners recognise that.
He got rid of Red Ken, which alone was a great achievement.

Boris's critics are forced to resort to gritted teeth criticism (if it can be so labelled) such as "lots of small achievements".

If only any Labour leader over the last 50 years could claim anything close to that as opposed to lots of large failures.

iphonedyou

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157 months

Thursday 8th October 2015
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It really is. Not that it's particularly relevant to his potential abilities as a PM.

iphonedyou

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Thursday 8th October 2015
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Christ, you're a chippy, sensitive little soul.

You're very welcome to respond with something empirical.

turbobloke

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260 months

Thursday 8th October 2015
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Several are less than brilliant, including CMD, but even at that level they're so far ahead of Corbyn - in a thread about Corbyn - that the comparison is stark and almost cruel.

The same goes for any of the current Labour lot, a real omnishambles of a Party.

Andy Zarse

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247 months

Thursday 8th October 2015
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I suppose it isn't, provided you discount the fact London has become the greatest and most prosperous major city in the world under Boris's tenure. Other than that, I'd agree he's been completely rubbish.

turbobloke

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260 months

Thursday 8th October 2015
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How awful hehe

Walford

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166 months

Thursday 8th October 2015
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I suppose it isn't, provided you discount the fact London has become the greatest and most prosperous major city in the world under Boris's tenure. Other than that, I'd agree he's been completely rubbish.
help by the fall of despot after despot around the world, and there elite stashing cash in london property

iphonedyou

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157 months

Thursday 8th October 2015
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How much did TfL pay for the cable car?

On the Routemasters, in what way have you evaluated the more 'intangible' elements; production in NI so regional procurement benefit, PR / tourism, et al?

Andy Zarse

10,868 posts

247 months

Thursday 8th October 2015
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On the Routemasters, in what way have you evaluated the more 'intangible' elements; production in NI so regional procurement benefit, PR / tourism, et al?
For goodness sake! The man's a socialist, you can't expect him to have any understanding of such values. These people have no imagination or foresight.

Still, there was no London white elephant bigger than Labour's wonderful socialist-inspired Dome... perhaps he could tell us how much was wasted on it, and explain how it was turned into a huge success by the private sector.

iphonedyou

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157 months

Thursday 8th October 2015
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Well you started with the Emirates Air Line and the Routemasters, so presumably you 'know what you're talking about' and we can discuss those, per my question above.

I procured big things for TfL for a few years, so hopefully I do too.

iphonedyou

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157 months

Thursday 8th October 2015
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So you demanded Andy Zarse know what he's talking about before engaging with him, but don't apply the same standard to yourself?

How does that work?

otolith

56,135 posts

204 months

Thursday 8th October 2015
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The thing with Boris is that you have to look at who came second. Then shudder, and be thankful the newt-fancier is kept at bay.

sugerbear

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158 months

Thursday 8th October 2015
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JC does appear to have rattled the tories though.

CMD's quite personal attacks on the man at yesterdays conference speaks volumes, when if he really wasn't a threat they would have ignored him.

Say what you want about JC but he does at least give a straight and honest answer even if it isn't the one you want to hear.


iphonedyou

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157 months

Thursday 8th October 2015
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And the rest of it?

You’ve dismissed intangibles because they’re ‘intangibles’. Only intangibles are very definitely scored, weighted and will contribute to any decision made. You’ve dismissed the choice of the Routemaster as a childish throwback to another era – have you seen the scoring? Understood the weightings, procurement timeframes, credence given to the regional impact forming one of their 7 key procurement goals, emissions criteria, the life cycle cost et al?

You’ve dismissed the Emirates Air Line on the basis of capital cost – and, fair enough, admitted you were wrong on that. On the operating loss, if indeed it’s a loss, how much of that is subsidised by the capital grant? How much of any loss is offset or eliminated by TfL investment returns, or contra charging from a stream in temporary surplus at any time? What positive impact the linking of two under-developed sites, with regards infrastructure, and the potential for housing and jobs creation as a result?

It’s either breathtakingly arrogant or ignorant to dismiss either of these at a sweep.

Or, perhaps, everything really is ‘as cheap as we can get away with, ‘guv.’

Walford

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166 months

Thursday 8th October 2015
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World events could lead to a JC win in 2020

iphonedyou

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157 months

Thursday 8th October 2015
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World events could lead to a JC win in 2020
Like - if everybody else in the world died before then?
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