Jeremy Corbyn

[Octoposse]

Got to say, on the second big policy decision to be made since he became leader - whereabouts spending lots of dosh and risking British airmen's lives lobbing a few extra bombs into an n-sided civil war with numerous foreign backers all with differing agendas fits on the risk/reward spectrum - Corby and Diane Abbott do appear to be right.

[Halb]

Octoposse said:

Got to say, on the second big policy decision to be made since he became leader - whereabouts spending lots of dosh and risking British airmen's lives lobbing a few extra bombs into an n-sided civil war with numerous foreign backers all with differing agendas fits on the risk/reward spectrum - Corby and Diane Abbott do appear to be right.

What are they saying?

[Octoposse]

Halb said:

Octoposse said:

Got to say, on the second big policy decision to be made since he became leader - whereabouts spending lots of dosh and risking British airmen's lives lobbing a few extra bombs into an n-sided civil war with numerous foreign backers all with differing agendas fits on the risk/reward spectrum - Corby and Diane Abbott do appear to be right.

What are they saying?

He's against it - she's backing him up. Maybe right answer for the wrong reasons, but nonetheless the right answer! If it comes to a vote in the Commons it appears that some Labour MPs will rebel and support the Conservatives (less those that rebel in their turn) on airstrikes.

[technodup]

You'd think we could just sit this one out ffs.

[Esseesse]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Co...

Not right honourable.

[Halb]

Christ newspapers/others will try and find st in pepper. They are so desperate for news, I didn't think they could get anymore pathetic, it's like watching a bad sketch show from the 80s.

[andy-xr]

I'm still convinced somewhere that this guy knows what he's doing. He has to, right? I mean you can only be so obtuse from ignorance at a low level, anything above that is genius at work

I'm also slightly conerned for his welfare, he seems to want to talk, lots, to people we're at war with.

In my mind he's going out to Syria for reasoned, intellectual, historical actioned and forward looking debate with a terrorist faction, who're probably going to give him a look like a dog being shown a 3 card trick and shove a grenade in his pants

[CorbynForTheBin]

andy-xr said:

I'm still convinced somewhere that this guy knows what he's doing. He has to, right? I mean you can only be so obtuse from ignorance at a low level, anything above that is genius at work

I have a feeling he wakes up everyday into what he sees as a nightmare. Terrified he got into the position, a huge change from his cushy earlier job.

[Axionknight]

anonymous said:

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Peace in our time?

[iphonedyou]

anonymous said:

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Time and again? In the middle east?

Any links?

[ianrb]

CorbynForTheBin said:

andy-xr said:

I'm still convinced somewhere that this guy knows what he's doing. He has to, right? I mean you can only be so obtuse from ignorance at a low level, anything above that is genius at work

I have a feeling he wakes up everyday into what he sees as a nightmare. Terrified he got into the position, a huge change from his cushy earlier job.

I think it's actually this. From what I've seen of his CV he's never put very much effort into anything, so the amount of responsibility he has now, or in theory could have in future, is really not his cup of tea. My expectation is that at some point in the not too distant future he will retire due to "health issues".

[Gargamel]

anonymous said:

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Talking is ace. I much prefer it.

However part of what brings parties together and to compromise, is the "what might happen if we don't agree to stuff"

JC takes all of that off the table because he is a pacifist.

[Johnnytheboy]

So what do we make of JC's party-within-a-party called Momentum, that's designed to ensure Labour don't come to their senses?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Co...

[FourWheelDrift]

Johnnytheboy said:

So what do we make of JC's party-within-a-party called Momentum, that's designed to ensure Labour don't come to their senses?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Co...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Purge

[vonuber]

Axionknight said:

Peace in our time?

Bought some time at the expense of the Czechs to finalise rearming Britain.

[Halb]

iphonedyou said:

Time and again? In the middle east?

Any links?

Iran?

[JagLover]

vonuber said:

Bought some time at the expense of the Czechs to finalise rearming Britain.

It also bought the Germans more time to complete their military build up now with the benefit of the Czechs industrial resources (after Hitler occupied the rump state) and also made the Nazi-Soviet pact more likely as the Soviets saw us as willing to sacrifice Eastern Europeans for our own interests.

Of course it is unknown how history would have turned out if we had made a stand over Czechoslovakia but given how close we came to complete disaster with the sequence of events that did take place how this is viewed as a triumph simply because it gave an ineffectual Britain an extra year to rearm I am not entirely sure.

Bearing in mind as well that the Soviet Union had a mutual defence treaty with Czechoslovakia and that the Russians had far friendler historical relations with the Czechoslovaks than with the Poles then making a stand over Czechoslovakia would seem a far more promising scenario than over Poland.

[Funk]

ianrb said:

CorbynForTheBin said:

andy-xr said:

I'm still convinced somewhere that this guy knows what he's doing. He has to, right? I mean you can only be so obtuse from ignorance at a low level, anything above that is genius at work

I have a feeling he wakes up everyday into what he sees as a nightmare. Terrified he got into the position, a huge change from his cushy earlier job.

I think it's actually this. From what I've seen of his CV he's never put very much effort into anything, so the amount of responsibility he has now, or in theory could have in future, is really not his cup of tea. My expectation is that at some point in the not too distant future he will retire due to "health issues".

Let's hope not; the utter destruction of the Labour Party that's occurring is fantastic. They're making themselves even more unelectable.

Is it possible it's some kind of 'political Scandinavian flick' where they lurch hard left before swinging back to the right to 'make the turn'?

[williamp]

From a left wing website http://labour-uncut.co.uk/2015/10/11/the-a-z-of-co...


The A-Z of Corbsplaining
There’s been a lot of change in the Labour party of late – new people joining, new faces at the top and new language being used.

To help readers, Uncut has produced this handy guide to Corbsplaining, keeping you up to date with the party’s exciting new vocabulary.

Print it out, take it to your local CLP meeting and dazzle Labour friends and colleagues with your Corbsplaining skills.

Next stop, the NEC!

A

Assist members making their voice heard – Use veteran hard left organisers to corral a herd of £3 hipsters to deselect troublesome MPs.

Austerity – Any cut to public spending, of any kind, at any point, by any level of government. Does not include cuts to military spending, which are completely different and fine.

B

Britain – Socialist utopia with a progressive majority that opposes all austerity*

• Apart from at general elections

Burnhamite – A malleable substance that can bend and merge to form any shape required of it before ultimately imploding.

C

Corbynite – A rare and abstruse substance that destroys the trust of voters.

Campaign Group – A group of MPs who do not campaign but do tweet a lot.

D

Democracy – A vital part of civilisation, to be protected and supported at all costs*.

• Not applicable to residents of Iran, Russia, Donbass, Gaza, Lebanon or Venezuela.

E

Engaging in the name of peace – chillaxing with terrorists.

F

Friends – a neutral term that in no way conveys warmth or respect. What? Those guys? Sure, we had a few beers, high-fived a few times, played a short game of ‘Holocaust: fact or fiction’ and, yes, we hugged. But honestly, I barely know them.

G

Government – An oppressive institution that corrupts any who serve in it. Something that Tories, red Tories and imperialists ignobly aspire to run.

H

Hilary Benn – “A Benn not a Bennite.” Although quite happy to work for one.

I

Israel – The country that must-not-be-named, like a geographical Voldemort.

J

JC – Initials of both Jesus Christ and Jeremy Corbyn. Coincidence?

Jeremy Corbyn – Visionary. Genius. Cardigan-wearer.

K

Kinder, gentler politics – The practice of constructive and vibrant democratic protest. Features include shouting, “Red Tory scum,” and the generous gift of high-velocity saliva.

L

Livingstone – Combination of intellectual touchstone and jobbing recruitment consultant, finding policies and advisers for the dear leader.

M

Miliband – Previous leader of the Labour party, whose ideas were insufficiently leftist, causing the electorate to vote Conservative in protest.

Momentum – A spontaneous social movement, rising up to enact change in Britain. Not at all run by hard left organisers to deselect Labour MPs with absolutely no connection to Militant infiltrators expelled from the Labour party a generation ago.

N

Neo-liberal – Believers in the market. Known to burn villages, eat babies and join the parliamentary Labour party in order to propagate pro-village-burning and baby-eating polices.

New politics – What to call the absence of a party policy. Allows the shadow cabinet and the leader to hold opposing views without anyone looking incoherent or shambolic. Apparently.

O

Osborne – Cunning and evil manipulator of the working class’ false consciousness. Preys on voters by talking about their concerns in a language they understand.

P

The Prime Minister – What the leader of Conservative party is called until at least 2025.

The People – People who live in North London and/or work in the public sector.

Prior diary commitment – What you organise quickly just after the Labour party press office schedule a tricky interview.

Q

people’s QE – The printing presses of the Weimar republic.

R

Red Tory – Honorific, often suffixed with the word “scum.” Applied to anyone in the Labour party who does not have a “Jez We Can” twibbon on their Twitter profile.

S

Smear – The journalistic practice of reproducing past statements by the leader and shadow chancellor, then asking them whether they still hold these views

Shadow First Secretary of State – A prestigious appointment to the frontbench. Definitely not a tokenistic afterthought.

Suit – the favoured attire of the paterno-capitalist class.

T

Tax avoidance – Magical source of unlimited funds which will be forthcoming following a “government crackdown.”

Trident – A three-pointed spear, which will be standard issue for all British forces as a result of vital cuts to defence spending.

Twitter – The voice of the people of Britain.

U

USA – Hotbed of evil. Source of global imperialism and all human misery. Answer to the question “Who’s fault is it?” whatever the context.

V

Vladimir Putin – Heroic scourge of imperialist oppression and enabler of freedom. Generously provides Russian troops to neighbouring countries to help make sure they are enjoying their freedom enough.

W

Watsonite – an unstable magnetic substance, irresistibly drawn to centres of power and liable to suddenly self-destruct without warning.

X

X – the mark voters put to the left of their chosen candidate’s name on the ballot paper. Unfortunately, there’s not much to the left of Jeremy Corbyn.

Y

Young people – They who will propel Jeremy Corybn into Number 10, thanks to their famous propensity to vote in general elections.

Z

Zero – the number of elections Labour will win before 2025.

[turbobloke]

williamp said:

From a left wing website http://labour-uncut.co.uk/2015/10/11/the-a-z-of-co...

P

The Prime Minister – What the leader of Conservative party is called until at least 2025.

Z

Zero – the number of elections Labour will win before 2025.

Even Labour (former self) gets it. No wonder members of the resident Corbynite Tendency are currently rather sensitive across a number of threads.