Jeremy Corbyn

[turbobloke]

crankedup said:

legzr1 said:

crankedup said:

Really! I can't see anything wrong with the J.C. approach, politicians are, when in opposition, supposed to hold the Government to account. By using M.O.P. questions directly the P.M. is forced to answer in a credible manner and with some integrity.
O.K. the methodology may need tweaking and I am quite certain that will happen.

Did you see Cameron's face as the first 'email' was read out?

He's good at the shouty, bolshy non-answers - they need a rethink on the new style and 100+ pages of anti-JC bile won't change that

True, they urgently need to adjust to the J.C. style of P.M. questions, whatever the politics he is winning on the issue of having the higher ground. The Tories laughter at an earlier question marks them out as disrespecting M.O.P.

Didn't hear the question so in general - respect is earned not given, which is also why Corbyn has so little with so many.

[crankedup]

turbobloke said:

crankedup said:

legzr1 said:

crankedup said:

Really! I can't see anything wrong with the J.C. approach, politicians are, when in opposition, supposed to hold the Government to account. By using M.O.P. questions directly the P.M. is forced to answer in a credible manner and with some integrity.
O.K. the methodology may need tweaking and I am quite certain that will happen.

Did you see Cameron's face as the first 'email' was read out?

He's good at the shouty, bolshy non-answers - they need a rethink on the new style and 100+ pages of anti-JC bile won't change that

True, they urgently need to adjust to the J.C. style of P.M. questions, whatever the politics he is winning on the issue of having the higher ground. The Tories laughter at an earlier question marks them out as disrespecting M.O.P.

Didn't hear the question so in general - respect is earned not given, which is also why Corbyn has so little with so many.

Sorry, I don't follow. I fully understand the old adage of respect being earned and I understand that J.C. will not have respect from some who do not agree with his politics. But I'm not sure how that all fits in with the comment I had made in the post above.

[hidetheelephants]

TTwiggy said:

I was under the impression that this forum considers the Tories to be dangerously left-wing mediocre.

EFA

[DaveR]

crankedup said:

legzr1 said:

crankedup said:

Really! I can't see anything wrong with the J.C. approach, politicians are, when in opposition, supposed to hold the Government to account. By using M.O.P. questions directly the P.M. is forced to answer in a credible manner and with some integrity.
O.K. the methodology may need tweaking and I am quite certain that will happen.

Did you see Cameron's face as the first 'email' was read out?

He's good at the shouty, bolshy non-answers - they need a rethink on the new style and 100+ pages of anti-JC bile won't change that

True, they urgently need to adjust to the J.C. style of P.M. questions, whatever the politics he is winning on the issue of having the higher ground. The Tories laughter at an earlier question marks them out as disrespecting M.O.P.

Which is exactly his tactic for using M.O.P. questions of course. You can't be horrible to me because it's not me saying it; it's a M.O.P. and you can't be seen to be disrespectful or horrible to them. Well, if the job of Opposition is to challenge the government then man-up and challenge them and stop hiding behind civilans. Far from speaking up for the poor, deserving, down-trodden little guy, it just comes across as cowardly.

[turbobloke]

There is absolutely no basis for assuming, without examining each case, that questions from MoPs are worthy of respect. Corbyn is hiding his inadequacy behind a bogus safety screen but unfortunately for him it happens to be transparent.

[anonymous-user]

turbobloke said:

There is absolutely no basis for assuming, without examining each case, that questions from MoPs are worthy of respect. Corbyn is hiding his inadequacy behind a bogus safety screen but unfortunately for him it happens to be transparent.

I'd argue that in respect of PMQs he has definitely prevented it being a car crash for him. So compared to the way everything else is going that is a success.

The PLP and the party administrators will do for him eventually - it's just a question of when.


They were relying on Dianne Abbot to lead the defence on the decision to vote against the budget charter. When she is the major voice supporting you, you know you are fked.

[anonymous-user]

turbobloke said:

There is absolutely no basis for assuming, without examining each case, that questions from MoPs are worthy of respect. Corbyn is hiding his inadequacy behind a bogus safety screen but unfortunately for him it happens to be transparent.

Did you even watch PMQ?

[technodup]

anonymous said:

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Skewering tax credits altogether should be the Tories main thrust.

[turbobloke]

el stovey said:

turbobloke said:

There is absolutely no basis for assuming, without examining each case, that questions from MoPs are worthy of respect. Corbyn is hiding his inadequacy behind a bogus safety screen but unfortunately for him it happens to be transparent.

Did you even watch PMQ?

Did you even read my earlier post?

Regardless of the answer, my point about assumptions around MoP questions stands, as it doesn't relate to any specific question but to the propensity of MoP for asking silly questions. Nothing in that vein is automatically worthy of respect, though it may be given as a matter of choice.

Then there's my earlier point in an earlier post about Corbyn's tactic of hiding his inadequacy behind the public's coat-tails.

[Halb]

crankedup said:

Not over concerned with who it is or the politics they support TBH. What I dislike is the past performance of a rabble seemingly out of control, so rowdy and bawdy that its almost impossible to decipher anything that is said.
At least, at the moment, I am able to actually hear the questions and answers, so its a good start by J.C. for actually having an influence on the proceedings.

Indeed. It's refreshing.
It won't last, the children will take back control...sooner or later.

[alock]

crankedup said:

True, they urgently need to adjust to the J.C. style of P.M. questions, whatever the politics he is winning on the issue of having the higher ground. The Tories laughter at an earlier question marks them out as disrespecting M.O.P.

JC appears to be turning PM questions into a day time TV chat show phone in. This is not the 'high ground'. It makes him look like he would rather be hosting This Morning with the PM as a weekly guest.

Many other things in our society are being dumbed down to the lowest common denominator, I would rather politics wasn't one of them.

[anonymous-user]

turbobloke said:

Did you even read my earlier post?

Regardless of the answer, my point about assumptions around MoP questions stands, as it doesn't relate to any specific question but to the propensity of MoP for asking silly questions. Nothing in that vein is automatically worthy of respect, though it may be given as a matter of choice.

Then there's my earlier point in an earlier post about Corbyn's tactic of hiding his inadequacy behind the public's coat-tails.

So basically you're criticising Corbyn's performance at PMQs today without having seen it.

[anonymous-user]

turbobloke said:

Breadvan72 said:

williamp said:

From a left wing website http://labour-uncut.co.uk/2015/10/11/the-a-z-of-co...

That is not a left wing website, but the comment and humour are spot on!

Some modern history.

http://liberalconspiracy.org/2011/06/07/helpful-ad...

Some modern polemical in-fighting, from the look of it. I am not a particular fan of either those websites, but the A-Z struck me as funny and well aimed. I might as well laugh about Corbyn, as if I didn't, I might cry.

[turbobloke]

Breadvan72 said:

turbobloke said:

Breadvan72 said:

williamp said:

From a left wing website http://labour-uncut.co.uk/2015/10/11/the-a-z-of-co...

That is not a left wing website, but the comment and humour are spot on!

Some modern history.

http://liberalconspiracy.org/2011/06/07/helpful-ad...

Some modern polemical in-fighting, from the look of it. I am not a particular fan of either those websites, but the A-Z struck me as funny and well aimed. I might as well laugh about Corbyn, as if I didn't, I might cry.

In-fighting from the left-field, and as for your closing remarks...

[Gargamel]

Well it is so far so predictable for Corbyn, his rebel roots have left him unable to control a hugely divided Labour Party. Last nights vote on the Bill to prevent Governments running a budget deficit, was a shambles - and the debate about the merits of the bill has been completely lost in the reporting of the Labour leadership crisis.


Osborne set a (reasonably obvious) trap and Corbyn and McDonnell spotted it, asked the Labour Conference to support them not opposing the bill, and then later they realised that Osborne would be claiming a significant victory in economic and politic terms, so they changed to oppose it, and failed to carry 37 of their MPs with them.

Plus Corbyn failed to use the whip effectively at the first signs of trouble. I notice that the junior labour party members referred to the bill as "Tory cuts charter" if that is the quality of the debate they should be ashamed of themselves.

An absolute fiasco and the slow motion train wreck that is the Labour party under Corbyn rumbles on.

[hornetrider]

^^ Spot on gargs.

[turbobloke]

Gargamel said:

Well it is so far so predictable for Corbyn, his rebel roots have left him unable to control a hugely divided Labour Party. Last nights vote on the Bill to prevent Governments running a budget deficit, was a shambles - and the debate about the merits of the bill has been completely lost in the reporting of the Labour leadership crisis.


Osborne set a (reasonably obvious) trap and Corbyn and McDonnell spotted it, asked the Labour Conference to support them not opposing the bill, and then later they realised that Osborne would be claiming a significant victory in economic and politic terms, so they changed to oppose it, and failed to carry 37 of their MPs with them.

Plus Corbyn failed to use the whip effectively at the first signs of trouble. I notice that the junior labour party members referred to the bill as "Tory cuts charter" if that is the quality of the debate they should be ashamed of themselves.

An absolute fiasco and the slow motion train wreck that is the Labour party under Corbyn rumbles on.

[Stevanos]

hornetrider said:

^^ Spot on gargs.

+1

[Funk]

alock said:

crankedup said:

True, they urgently need to adjust to the J.C. style of P.M. questions, whatever the politics he is winning on the issue of having the higher ground. The Tories laughter at an earlier question marks them out as disrespecting M.O.P.

JC appears to be turning PM questions into a day time TV chat show phone in. This is not the 'high ground'. It makes him look like he would rather be hosting This Morning with the PM as a weekly guest.

Many other things in our society are being dumbed down to the lowest common denominator, I would rather politics wasn't one of them.

As I said earlier, if this is what it's become then we could do away with a lot of expensive MPs sitting in a building and simply have Cameron go on Radio 4 and have a presenter put them to him...

[jmorgan]

They could stop the set up questions from their own side (hey all do it) but the true test to beard any PM would be an opposition leader of ability. Corbyn it ain't. Maybe I should ask Corbyn to ask the PM at the next question time "jmorgan thinks it is a good idea for Trident upgrade and nuclear power stations getting a shift on. Does the PM agree?"