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Most political party members are either fruit loops or only joined to get access to the bar and snooker table. Which is why the Conservatives don't trust their members to elect their party leader.
According to the Labour Party website, 42,550 people have joined since the election. That seems an awful lot. I wonder how many of them have just joined up for the leadership election.
BTW, voting forms will be sent out on Friday 14 August and need to be sent in by midday 10th September.
According to the Labour Party website, 42,550 people have joined since the election. That seems an awful lot. I wonder how many of them have just joined up for the leadership election.
BTW, voting forms will be sent out on Friday 14 August and need to be sent in by midday 10th September.
BJG1 said:
///ajd said:
Turns out he stepped down in May as he didn't have enough support.
Is it just me or is he more convincing than any of the other 4 that are left standing?
Really? I always think of him as Tim Nice But Dim. Is it just me or is he more convincing than any of the other 4 that are left standing?
Even Blair started dropping his aitches when confronted by the unwashed for fear of being recognised as a private school educated toff.Beati Dogu said:
Most political party members are either fruit loops or only joined to get access to the bar and snooker table. Which is why the Conservatives don't trust their members to elect their party leader.
Umm... yes they do. Hague was the last leader elected under the old rules whereby MP's elect the leader. Cameron and his two predecessors were elected by a vote of the party membership. The leader can be removed by MP's but the party must elect him. The members are only given a choice of 2 but OMOV applies.I am in the camp that believes those that have a brain inside the Labour Party have realised that there is no one who is electable in their party who is willing to run. The net result will be Commie Corbyn for a few years. If the Tories f
k up then he will be ousted with about 12-9 months to run before the next GE. If the Tories are looking like they are riding high they will let him run through the election, which will be a disaster for them, and then will spend the next 4-5 years repeating the processes of '92-'97 reinventing themselves into yet another personality cult to get the less vigorous thinkers behind.
k up then he will be ousted with about 12-9 months to run before the next GE. If the Tories are looking like they are riding high they will let him run through the election, which will be a disaster for them, and then will spend the next 4-5 years repeating the processes of '92-'97 reinventing themselves into yet another personality cult to get the less vigorous thinkers behind.Rude-boy said:
I am in the camp that believes those that have a brain inside the Labour Party have realised that there is no one who is electable in their party who is willing to run. The net result will be Commie Corbyn for a few years. If the Tories fk up then he will be ousted with about 12-9 months to run before the next GE. If the Tories are looking like they are riding high they will let him run through the election, which will be a disaster for them, and then will spend the next 4-5 years repeating the processes of '92-'97 reinventing themselves into yet another personality cult to get the less vigorous thinkers behind.
It's almost impossible to remove a sitting Labour leader against their will. If Corbyn is elected they'll be stuick with him until he decides to stand down.k up then he will be ousted with about 12-9 months to run before the next GE. If the Tories are looking like they are riding high they will let him run through the election, which will be a disaster for them, and then will spend the next 4-5 years repeating the processes of '92-'97 reinventing themselves into yet another personality cult to get the less vigorous thinkers behind.What I find a bit odd is that the media seem to have already decided that he is an unelectable left wing lunatic. He actually has been elected by his constituents for years and looks to be in with a good chance of winning the leadership election within the Labour party. He talks coherently, though usually rubbish, and is an experienced parliamentarian.
Why then, 5 years before the next general election have they decided that the public won't vote for him? Could he not lead the opposition to the Conservative party? Is it for some reason impossible that people could vote for a left wing party?
It is rather reminiscent of the way William Hague was treated by the media when he was leader of the bruised Tory party post 1997. I get the feeling that the media make this a sort of self-fulfilling prophecy.
Whether this is consciously decided upon or just a herd mentality of the press is not so clear.
Why then, 5 years before the next general election have they decided that the public won't vote for him? Could he not lead the opposition to the Conservative party? Is it for some reason impossible that people could vote for a left wing party?
It is rather reminiscent of the way William Hague was treated by the media when he was leader of the bruised Tory party post 1997. I get the feeling that the media make this a sort of self-fulfilling prophecy.
Whether this is consciously decided upon or just a herd mentality of the press is not so clear.
andy-xr said:
Is this the guy who was shown his own ahole by Krishnan Guru Murthy?
He's the guy Krishnan conducted yet another needlessly aggressive, pathetic interview with, yes. I don't think he's ever shown someone their own ahole by Krishnan Guru Murthy? hole, just comes across as a thick, rude Paxman wannabe. Put forward onto the Election paper merely as a sop to the more left leaning politicians in Labour. Not a hope in hell, so why not. Its all gone wrong for the moderates with Corbyn out front in popularity stakes. Fancy those in the 'Labour hierarchy' getting that one wrong! Not their year is it.
BJG1 said:
He's the guy Krishnan conducted yet another needlessly aggressive, pathetic interview with, yes. I don't think he's ever shown someone their own ahole, just comes across as a thick, rude Paxman wannabe.
Quite! And if Jon Snow leaned any farther to the left he'd fall over. As for Kathy Newman: vagina dentata no doubt.hole, just comes across as a thick, rude Paxman wannabe. Beati Dogu said:
Most political party members are either fruit loops or only joined to get access to the bar and snooker table. Which is why the Conservatives don't trust their members to elect their party leader.
According to the Labour Party website, 42,550 people have joined since the election. That seems an awful lot. I wonder how many of them have just joined up for the leadership election.
BTW, voting forms will be sent out on Friday 14 August and need to be sent in by midday 10th September.
Many joined - like me - partly as a reaction to the sheer horror that the Tories got elected (by only 24% of the eligible voters IIRC) and also because there's no point moaning about something if you don't want to try and change it.According to the Labour Party website, 42,550 people have joined since the election. That seems an awful lot. I wonder how many of them have just joined up for the leadership election.
BTW, voting forms will be sent out on Friday 14 August and need to be sent in by midday 10th September.
I believe the Greens had their biggest ever membership increase the day after the election too.
FWIW I don't consider myself a fruitloop and I didn't consider a bar / pool table before joining.
AJS- said:
What I find a bit odd is that the media seem to have already decided that he is an unelectable left wing lunatic. He actually has been elected by his constituents for years and looks to be in with a good chance of winning the leadership election within the Labour party. He talks coherently, though usually rubbish, and is an experienced parliamentarian.
I think it's as much to do with the fact that it was right at the last minute that he scraped the 34 (?) backers necessary to stand.Another factor could be his age, 66 now, so 71 at the next election.
davepoth said:
This is probably something that Labour need to do. All three of the "Non-Corbyns" are wishy-washy Islington lefties who are tainted by new Labour, Brown, and Red Ed. They can't win the country although they might win the leadership. No lessons would be learned.
Corbyn can't win the country either, but a couple of years of his leadership, possibly followed by a terrible election result, would convince the national party that they need to cut out the dead wood, and move back to the centre.
What's an "Islington leftie"?Corbyn can't win the country either, but a couple of years of his leadership, possibly followed by a terrible election result, would convince the national party that they need to cut out the dead wood, and move back to the centre.
Corbyn is MP for North Islington, so if any should be described as an Islington lefty it's him.
Liz Kendall - MP for Leicester West
Yvette Cooper - MP for Normanton, Pontefract and Castleford
Andy Burnham - MP for Leigh (that's the in the North West for any Home Counties Tories)
hidetheelephants said:
BJG1 said:
///ajd said:
Turns out he stepped down in May as he didn't have enough support.
Is it just me or is he more convincing than any of the other 4 that are left standing?
Really? I always think of him as Tim Nice But Dim. Is it just me or is he more convincing than any of the other 4 that are left standing?
Even Blair started dropping his aitches when confronted by the unwashed for fear of being recognised as a private school educated toff.BJG1 said:
andy-xr said:
Is this the guy who was shown his own ahole by Krishnan Guru Murthy?
He's the guy Krishnan conducted yet another needlessly aggressive, pathetic interview with, yes. I don't think he's ever shown someone their own ahole by Krishnan Guru Murthy? hole, just comes across as a thick, rude Paxman wannabe. AJS- said:
Why then, 5 years before the next general election have they decided that the public won't vote for him? Could he not lead the opposition to the Conservative party? Is it for some reason impossible that people could vote for a left wing party?
- He'll be 70 at the election and 75 by the end of the parliament
- He's got a beard, and not a trendy hipster one- a st geography teacher one
- He looks like a grandad
- Probably is a grandad
In short he's a old socialist the public won't vote for.
I reckon that Tim Farron's a wrong 'un too.
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