Jeremy Corbyn

[crankedup]

ukwill said:

crankedup said:

Your recollection of the infamous Tebbit quote is wrong, however, the quote still is relevant and still so out of real world its a joke.

His recollection is not wrong at all.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sU_pDM1N7i0

Thanks for that, other details still fully relevant though.

[RichB]

crankedup said:

RichB said:

technodup said:

crankedup said:

The problem I mention is National, especially in the South of England.

No it's not. The south is affected by London and commuters who can't afford/don't want to live in London.

In pretty much every other city in the country you can buy a house for £70k, or 3x the average salary, and some a lot less than that. Will it be a palace? No. But then people who earn the square root of fk all shouldn't be expecting to live in barn conversions, Cheshire mansions or Edinburgh townhouses.

Sheffield, 2 Bed End of Terrace, looks ok - under £60,000

And why do you think the housing is cheaper?

You've avoided the point (just like a politician). The point is that you were saying there's no affordable housing near the cities. I briefly searched on Rightmove within a 5 mile radius of Sheffield and found loads of houses. This one looks ok. Point made...

[technodup]

crankedup said:

So what is the quality of these 5000 jobs and where did you find that stat'?
Do you think that some of the 17,000 steel workers just made redundant will want those jobs?
Sure there are a few 'spoon fed whingers' I expect but these do not account for the overall National situation regarding the chronic shortage of affordable housing in the U.K.

I meant to link them, I looked on Gumtree but other websites are available. The steel workers are in Redcar are they not? 100 miles from Sheffield so I'd expect some would move or commute but I suspect many more will want something local. There are only 339 jobs within 10 miles of Middlesbrough on Gumtree so if I was them I'd be starting to think outside the box. Or they could do what thousands of others have done, go on the dole, bh about how life isn't fair and see out their lives in poverty. And if you don't believe that I'd be happy to show you around Motherwell.

As for Londoners moving out and not finding work boo fking hoo. Not everyone can find a perfect job with a perfect house in a perfect area. People lower down the ladder (i.e. most) need to compromise; on the job, the commute, the house, the schools, whatever.

If there genuinely is no work then you have three choices; move to find it, create it, or rely on the state.

[ukwill]

crankedup said:

Thanks for that, other details still fully relevant though.

Sorry, too busy to debate today. On past history I'd suggest they aren't though.

[alock]

crankedup said:

For example in our patch. East Anglia the average wage is around 22k gross,not much left after tax, rent, food and other bills perhaps.

What you are missing is that the vast majority of people progress their life as a couple. A young couple each earning your sample salary have a gross income of £44K and a take home income of over £35K per year. If you're single you have to earn £50K a year to match that due to the layered taxation levels.

The unfortunate reality is that single people are the minority and that means they have to compete with the purchasing power of couples. 50 years ago a young couple might have only had a single income so the market adjusted to what was affordable. Today most young couples have two incomes and the market has adjusted.

[The Don of Croy]

crankedup said:

ukwill said:

crankedup said:

Your recollection of the infamous Tebbit quote is wrong, however, the quote still is relevant and still so out of real world its a joke.

His recollection is not wrong at all.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sU_pDM1N7i0

Thanks for that, other details still fully relevant though.

That's quite an apology. Not. And it was an anecdote - so very much of the real world.

There's a saying in the South West that the definition of a mine is a hole with a Cornishman at the bottom. All around the World you'll find descendants of the Cornish mining fraternity - a community dispersed by the search for work. And that was more than a century ago. It happens - people can and do move to follow the work.

[CorbynForTheBin]

However as that doesn't fit his argument, it's obviously not true!

[anonymous-user]

crankedup said:

Sway said:

crankedup said:

Tell that to those who cannot afford to buy over-priced houses, or pay extortionate rents, and unable to access Social housing owing to shortages. Plenty of young professionals are in this boat and live with Mum and Dad, average age is still rising regards this group of 'stay at homes' its now 35 years.
The general overall picture of housing in the U.K. is a complete disaster.

Name a top five Worldwide city (as London is) that has a better percentage of 'affordable' houses within similar travel times to the centre?

It's mental, yes. Whether New York, Singapore, Tokyo or London if a significant proportion of the World would like to live there, costs are always going to be very high.

London is a high cost housing area of course, along with other major cities of the World, as you point out.
The problem I mention is National, especially in the South of England.

How the hell can a problem be 'National, especially in the South of England'?

[Sway]

The Don of Croy said:

crankedup said:

ukwill said:

crankedup said:

Your recollection of the infamous Tebbit quote is wrong, however, the quote still is relevant and still so out of real world its a joke.

His recollection is not wrong at all.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sU_pDM1N7i0

Thanks for that, other details still fully relevant though.

That's quite an apology. Not. And it was an anecdote - so very much of the real world.

There's a saying in the South West that the definition of a mine is a hole with a Cornishman at the bottom. All around the World you'll find descendants of the Cornish mining fraternity - a community dispersed by the search for work. And that was more than a century ago. It happens - people can and do move to follow the work.

Yep.

Your other points cranked are flawed.

I'll use myself as the example:

I grew up in a reasonable three bed terrace in a fairly nice part of London. It was bought the year I was born (early 80s) for £18k.

Between then and my majority, the Cold War had ended, worldwide mobility used started to massively increase, and I'd gone off the rails. Excellent GCSE results became mediocre A Levels, which turned into a first year drop out from uni. Grandparents intervened. Some home truths about how life was for them at a similar age. The message was clear - you control your life, opportunities are there if you take them, no one owes you anything except yourself.

They hit home. I moved away from the environment I was in. Down to the South Coast, in a lovely village that's not too bad to commute to London, but most aren't willing to do that, so prices are relatively cheap. Did a lot of temping, doing work I hated, but kept a rented roof over my head. Applied myself, even though I hated it. At one point, I was working three jobs and spending 6 hours a day at home (mainly in bed!), just to pay the bills.

Caught a break. MD of a firm I was temping at saw something, and offered me a three month contract, and a new direction. I was expected to learn it myself, using textbooks he lent me. Left there after a year, having got fed up of only ever getting three month contracts and still having to work multiple jobs.

Since then, I've not worked within fifty miles of home. My working life involves large amounts of travel, whether as an employee, or more recently as my own boss.

I've managed to find a girl, who happened to have two kids and a condition that means she'll never work. We've never even claimed tax credits. Only recently has she claimed PIP, not for the money but the periphery benefits such as a blue badge. Times have been hugely difficult, yet I'm now secure in a lovely three bed detached bungalow, within a stone's throw of a beach overlooking the Isle of Wight, with lots of equity. I own my own business, and we now have a nice lifestyle. For many years, our quality of life would probably be classified by certain types as 'deprived'. We've never considered it that way.

Hence I have little sympathy, or desire for massive State intervention, because 'house prices are too high' or 'work is hard to find where I live'.

My grandfather, mentioned above, was raised in a Camden childrens home in the 1920s. Then conscripted into the Army to fight Germans. That was relatively normal only two generations ago - when did we get so fking soft and entitled?

[technodup]

Sway said:

The message was clear - you control your life, opportunities are there if you take them, no one owes you anything except yourself.

Nail, meet head.

I'm sick of whinging losers moaning about how life is st, this or that isn't fair or how the government should do X or Y. Life is as good as you make it.

[RichB]

technodup said:

Sway said:

The message was clear - you control your life, opportunities are there if you take them, no one owes you anything except yourself.

Nail, meet head. I'm sick of whinging losers moaning about how life is st, this or that isn't fair or how the government should do X or Y. Life is as good as you make it.

Yep. difference is that we now have 2nd or 3rd generation whingers who really believe it's their entitlement to be given a life on a plate by other people.

[Moonhawk]

crankedup said:

So what is the quality of these 5000 jobs and where did you find that stat'?

Looking only at Jobsite.co.uk - there are currently 1927 jobs listed as being within 20 miles of Sheffield - with salaries right across the board.

Cleaner £13k
Sales executive £16k
Maintenance Engineer £27k
Civil Engineer £38k
Senior IT sales £100k basic
Insurance Broker up to £200k

Edited by Moonhawk on Friday 16th October 19:44

[technodup]

*puts fingers in ears* la la la, zero hours, no jobs, Tories...

[KarlMac]

Moonhawk said:

crankedup said:

So what is the quality of these 5000 jobs and where did you find that stat'?

Looking only at Jobsite.co.uk - there are currently 1927 jobs listed as being within 20 miles of Sheffield - with salaries right across the board.

Cleaner £13k
Sales executive £16k
Maintenance Engineer £27k
Civil Engineer £38k
Senior IT sales £100k basic
Insurance Broker up to £200k

Edited by Moonhawk on Friday 16th October 19:44

Sheffield resident here. Despite what people will tell you the job market is pretty good here. I've gone from homeless at 18 to junior management at 32. Its a long boring story but the message is even without a decent education or support you can turn your live in the direction you want.

[number 46]

Keep your voice down, you may upset cloggs or Crankshift!,!!!!!!!!

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[Justayellowbadge]

Lies, obviously.

Because Fatcha, bedroom tax, austerity..

[Getragdogleg]

technodup said:

Sway said:

The message was clear - you control your life, opportunities are there if you take them, no one owes you anything except yourself.

Nail, meet head.

I'm sick of whinging losers moaning about how life is st, this or that isn't fair or how the government should do X or Y. Life is as good as you make it.

Absolutely, you get up in the morning and put your work clothes on both physically and mentally.

[johnxjsc1985]

KarlMac said:

Sheffield resident here. Despite what people will tell you the job market is pretty good here. I've gone from homeless at 18 to junior management at 32. Its a long boring story but the message is even without a decent education or support you can turn your live in the direction you want.

Good for you mate its called getting off your arse.

[loafer123]

KarlMac said:

Sheffield resident here. Despite what people will tell you the job market is pretty good here. I've gone from homeless at 18 to junior management at 32. Its a long boring story but the message is even without a decent education or support you can turn your live in the direction you want.

Whatever the story, well done.