Discussion
KTF said:
Is it really though as they seem to have carried out a few attacks whilst being bombed.
They have been digging tunnels to hide from the bombings so that tells me they feel under pressure and not able to progress as much as they like. A strong UN force could be used and that would actually be a good thing for all of us . There has to be a limit to the effectiveness of bombing I dont think we know where that limit is.johnxjsc1985 said:
One of the more serious downsides of Corbyn is we keep seeing and even worse hearing Diane f
king Abbott
She's great. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uB4o5n2EGyA&fe...king AbbottKTF said:
Derek Smith said:
John Nochol, the RAF navigator who was shot down in the Gulf War and captured - wrote Tornado Down - was on Sky news this morning and came out with a degree of support for Corbyn's point of view. (Or stated point of view?)
He too suggested that there was little to gain from bombing Syria without it being part of a well planned strategy. I thought he talked a lot of sense and yet he's by no means a pacifist and when I've listened to him before he's been just the opposite.
I can also see what Corbyn is getting at in so far as what will dropping bombs on them actually achieve when IS are so fragmented and use any action by the 'west' to whip up enthusiasm for their cause and recruit more 'converts'.He too suggested that there was little to gain from bombing Syria without it being part of a well planned strategy. I thought he talked a lot of sense and yet he's by no means a pacifist and when I've listened to him before he's been just the opposite.
Plus more bombs will generate more refugees (if there is actually anyone left in the country that hasnt left yet).
However, what the alternative is, I dont know...
This will meaning supporting Russia and Assad and realising that alliance forces on the ground will be necessary.
I am fully aware this is not in the West's best interests but let's solve one problem first.
If and when Isis is defeated it then means REMAINING in the area and REBUILDING the country and then 5 /10 years down the line we might have stabilised Syria.
I do not believe just bombing Syria into oblivion will solve this most complex of problems.
I am astonished that we have not learnt the lessons from our campaigns in Libya and Iraq and Afghanistan.
Edited by avinalarf on Friday 27th November 12:19
I cannot remember ever having a situation at work that needed immmediate action only for someone to say its Friday tomorrow lets try and sort it out on Monday.
This is how out of touch MP's are is this not serious enough for the shadow cabinet to lock themselves in a room until such times they have reached an agreement. The problem is Corbyn will never sanction the use of force . They will use the weekend to go crawling back to their lefty constituency's and the hair shirt brigade will tell them make tea not war. The PLP is now in great difficulty.
This is how out of touch MP's are is this not serious enough for the shadow cabinet to lock themselves in a room until such times they have reached an agreement. The problem is Corbyn will never sanction the use of force . They will use the weekend to go crawling back to their lefty constituency's and the hair shirt brigade will tell them make tea not war. The PLP is now in great difficulty.
muffinmenace said:
It was because the Torys didn't share the same view on HoL reforms, not PR.
Irrespective, it was great to see them reduced from posturing as king-maker - thinking "we're the only party almost certain to be in government after the election" - to a group of 8. Still, better people than in the Labour party.Derek Smith said:
John Nochol, the RAF navigator who was shot down in the Gulf War and captured - wrote Tornado Down - was on Sky news this morning and came out with a degree of support for Corbyn's point of view. (Or stated point of view?)
He too suggested that there was little to gain from bombing Syria without it being part of a well planned strategy. I thought he talked a lot of sense and yet he's by no means a pacifist and when I've listened to him before he's been just the opposite.
It wasn't the normal right wing chap in the chair so those there listened to him and challenged his point of view politely. His defence showed that this wasn't an off-the-cuff comment.
I watch that and felt he spoke the most sense i've heard any public figure say thus far, he certainly seems to have a better grasp on the situation than Dave who desperately wants to score some political big boy points on the world stage.He too suggested that there was little to gain from bombing Syria without it being part of a well planned strategy. I thought he talked a lot of sense and yet he's by no means a pacifist and when I've listened to him before he's been just the opposite.
It wasn't the normal right wing chap in the chair so those there listened to him and challenged his point of view politely. His defence showed that this wasn't an off-the-cuff comment.
Mr_B said:
johnxjsc1985 said:
One of the more serious downsides of Corbyn is we keep seeing and even worse hearing Diane fking Abbott
She's great. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uB4o5n2EGyA&fe...king AbbottBudflicker said:
Derek Smith said:
John Nochol, the RAF navigator who was shot down in the Gulf War and captured - wrote Tornado Down - was on Sky news this morning and came out with a degree of support for Corbyn's point of view. (Or stated point of view?)
He too suggested that there was little to gain from bombing Syria without it being part of a well planned strategy. I thought he talked a lot of sense and yet he's by no means a pacifist and when I've listened to him before he's been just the opposite.
It wasn't the normal right wing chap in the chair so those there listened to him and challenged his point of view politely. His defence showed that this wasn't an off-the-cuff comment.
I watch that and felt he spoke the most sense i've heard any public figure say thus far, he certainly seems to have a better grasp on the situation than Dave who desperately wants to score some political big boy points on the world stage.He too suggested that there was little to gain from bombing Syria without it being part of a well planned strategy. I thought he talked a lot of sense and yet he's by no means a pacifist and when I've listened to him before he's been just the opposite.
It wasn't the normal right wing chap in the chair so those there listened to him and challenged his point of view politely. His defence showed that this wasn't an off-the-cuff comment.
It seems to me that not doing anything isn't much of a plan either; what would Corbyn actually propose to do?
Ken Livingstone has lost the plot completely on Question Time re the London bombers and entirely blames Blair for the atrocity
"They gave their lives, they said what they believed, they took Londoners' lives in protest against our invasion of Iraq."
He's had a broadside from the right minded guests. The man is unhinged.
'Gave their lives' ???? I mean WTF????
I think he lives in a parallel universe where this is somehow OK to publicly state to gain support for JC. There will be another backlash. Will he always be a nutter?
As has been said, it's comedy at its best.
"They gave their lives, they said what they believed, they took Londoners' lives in protest against our invasion of Iraq."
He's had a broadside from the right minded guests. The man is unhinged.
'Gave their lives' ???? I mean WTF????
I think he lives in a parallel universe where this is somehow OK to publicly state to gain support for JC. There will be another backlash. Will he always be a nutter?
As has been said, it's comedy at its best.
REALIST123 said:
Is that the Dave has also said that action needs to be part of a planned, coordinated strategy? Not that that isn't stating the obvious........
It seems to me that not doing anything isn't much of a plan either; what would Corbyn actually propose to do?
I'm agreeing with john Nichol on Sky News this morning and the points he made, not standing up for JC, have a watch on Youtube and come back to me if you have a solution to the issue, I don't and neither do much smarter people than me, however bombs alone are not a solution.It seems to me that not doing anything isn't much of a plan either; what would Corbyn actually propose to do?
In the wider picture I'm not sure there is a solution in Syria all the time different people on the same side are arming different people who are fighting each other, in fact in the current state of things I think it more likely we start fighting the Russians and Iranians than actually destroying ISIL, assuming the Turks keep bombing the Kurds in Syria ( who happen to be the most effective force in beating ISIL?) and the Russians use those S400's to tell them not too.
in all it's a proper clusterf
k.0000 said:
Mr_B said:
She's great. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uB4o5n2EGyA&fe...
That was amazing.http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-he...
"MPs, trade unions and ordinary members agreed the party was ‘essentially fked’ and it was time to stop all this nonsense"
"In place of Labour a range of new parties will be formed next year, with the two biggest being The Nice Middle Class People and Angry About Everything All The Time."
"MPs, trade unions and ordinary members agreed the party was ‘essentially f
ked’ and it was time to stop all this nonsense""In place of Labour a range of new parties will be formed next year, with the two biggest being The Nice Middle Class People and Angry About Everything All The Time."
0000 said:
Mr_B said:
She's great. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uB4o5n2EGyA&fe...
That was amazing.muffinmenace said:
a_bread said:
Once they've corrected the constituency boundary imbalance (which the LibDems spitefully stopped them from doing because the country didn't agree with them on proportional representation), the last election's voting patterns would translate into a majority of a few dozen more.
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