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Smollet said:
The Fire Brigade Union is obviously very happy with Corbyn
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34946967
Don't believe everything you read - not all FF's happy with this move...http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34946967
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Derek Smith said:
turbobloke said:
Agreed. Corbyn is a pacifist incapable of making contextual judgements in these matters.
Being an RAF Pilot, an RAF Pilot on active service in a war zone, shot down then captured and held, means that Nichol demands the greatest of respect and admiration for his skill, courage and selfless service. It doesn't mean he has or gives the right answers.
As opposed to keyboard warriors?Being an RAF Pilot, an RAF Pilot on active service in a war zone, shot down then captured and held, means that Nichol demands the greatest of respect and admiration for his skill, courage and selfless service. It doesn't mean he has or gives the right answers.
The only 'right answer' he gave was that an attack on Syria should be part of a greater strategy as just bombing alone would create more problems that it might solve. He brought up examples to support his contention.
You'll excuse me if I give favour him rather than those whose support for bombing is based on political desires or blind political support.
That healing enables them to stand better than the b
ds that held themV6Pushfit said:
People who are captured and held etc etc like Nicol, Waite, McCarthy etc tend to be anti war as a result. Quite apart from being utterly exceptional people part of the healing process is to forgive and not bear the expected grudges or all consuming hatred of their enemy. I can't think of one ex captive who has sworn revenge.
That healing enables them to stand better than the bds that held them
Andy McNab? Held in Iraqi jail and treated badly. Stated if he ever came across his jailers again he would 'slot them'.That healing enables them to stand better than the b
ds that held themarp1 said:
Smollet said:
The Fire Brigade Union is obviously very happy with Corbyn
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34946967
Don't believe everything you read - not all FF's happy with this move...http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34946967
s2art said:
V6Pushfit said:
People who are captured and held etc etc like Nicol, Waite, McCarthy etc tend to be anti war as a result. Quite apart from being utterly exceptional people part of the healing process is to forgive and not bear the expected grudges or all consuming hatred of their enemy. I can't think of one ex captive who has sworn revenge.
That healing enables them to stand better than the bds that held them
Andy McNab? Held in Iraqi jail and treated badly. Stated if he ever came across his jailers again he would 'slot them'.That healing enables them to stand better than the b
ds that held themDerek Smith said:
turbobloke said:
Agreed. Corbyn is a pacifist incapable of making contextual judgements in these matters.
Being an RAF Pilot, an RAF Pilot on active service in a war zone, shot down then captured and held, means that Nichol demands the greatest of respect and admiration for his skill, courage and selfless service. It doesn't mean he has or gives the right answers.
As opposed to keyboard warriors?Being an RAF Pilot, an RAF Pilot on active service in a war zone, shot down then captured and held, means that Nichol demands the greatest of respect and admiration for his skill, courage and selfless service. It doesn't mean he has or gives the right answers.
The only 'right answer' he gave was that an attack on Syria should be part of a greater strategy as just bombing alone would create more problems that it might solve. He brought up examples to support his contention.
You'll excuse me if I give favour him rather than those whose support for bombing is based on political desires or blind political support.
s2art said:
V6Pushfit said:
People who are captured and held etc etc like Nicol, Waite, McCarthy etc tend to be anti war as a result. Quite apart from being utterly exceptional people part of the healing process is to forgive and not bear the expected grudges or all consuming hatred of their enemy. I can't think of one ex captive who has sworn revenge.
That healing enables them to stand better than the bds that held them
Andy McNab? Held in Iraqi jail and treated badly. Stated if he ever came across his jailers again he would 'slot them'.That healing enables them to stand better than the b
ds that held themDerek's own keyboard warrior post got me to consider my time as a Flt Lt and whether it was in the wrong role and so insufficient for me to be worthy of holding a personal opinion. It didn't take long, as periods of reflection go.
CMD's speech made a compelling case and I agree with him on that basis not because of his politics. That should be obvious from my posts, and if not, I'm not a CMD fan by any means. I'm not a fan of Corbyn either...
Breadvan72 said:
"In place of Labour a range of new parties will be formed next year, with the two biggest being The Nice Middle Class People and Angry About Everything All The Time."I'd risk a little bet the biggest splinter party will be the Green With Envy Party...
mybrainhurts said:
Breadvan72 said:
"In place of Labour a range of new parties will be formed next year, with the two biggest being The Nice Middle Class People and Angry About Everything All The Time."I'd risk a little bet the biggest splinter party will be the Green With Envy Party...
The EU and Comrade Corbyn say we really must do this or we will all be branded as racists.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/622567/Eu-L...
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/622567/Eu-L...
Rovinghawk said:
Wasn't Terry Waite a tiny bit antiwar before capture? The others too? Maybe your cause & effect is less effective than you make out.
My point is I have never heard a high profile detainee vow to destroy the captors. Andy Mcnab aside.And that its ingrained in the healing process to forgive in order to move on.
I believe it's what the shrinks train, the alternative being self destruction.
Mr Mcnab is an exception to the case, I doubt he had a shrink he's probably at an extreme end of the psyche they can deal with.
Edited by V6Pushfit on Friday 27th November 22:22
Rovinghawk said:
V6Pushfit said:
People who are captured and held etc etc like Nicol, Waite, McCarthy etc tend to be anti war as a result.
Wasn't Terry Waite a tiny bit antiwar before capture? The others too? Maybe your cause & effect is less effective than you make out.I may be going slightly insane...brain addled on jingoism and warfare by proxy perhaps...but it reads like some of you think the Syrian people will welcome a bombing campaign.
If we bomb Syria even more than its already being bombed surely that will mean more fleeing refugees, more displaced people, widespread suffering, death, infrastructure damage, wider ISIS dispersion, increasing violence on both sides, proliferation of terrorist counter-attacks...need I go on?
Can someone explain why bombing Syria is a good idea?
If we bomb Syria even more than its already being bombed surely that will mean more fleeing refugees, more displaced people, widespread suffering, death, infrastructure damage, wider ISIS dispersion, increasing violence on both sides, proliferation of terrorist counter-attacks...need I go on?
Can someone explain why bombing Syria is a good idea?
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