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freshkid said:
I mean sanctions on selling oil as the poster above stated that reducing revenue from oil sales is a reason for bombing Syria.
I guess that depends too - if people are willing to ignore sanctions and buy the oil. I'm guessing someone will be willing to, providing they can covertly move it about.The extreme left have always been lurking within Labour, hidden for years by a thin shiny veneer by just slightly more acceptable faces. Labour's true face is being seen and it's not nice at all. These virus like people would love to see the ruination of our economy and existing way of life.
Where are the IS controlled oil fields? Surely if we put boots on the ground with air support and the objective to recapture the oil that devastated one income stream. We/coalition can hold and defend them indefinitely.
So they only have donations - easy to stop and then racketeering I mean how emwealthy are Syrians surely not that much to take.
If it's bombing only then let's target ammo depots if possible, destroy supply routes basically put them in a siege situation.
So they only have donations - easy to stop and then racketeering I mean how emwealthy are Syrians surely not that much to take.
If it's bombing only then let's target ammo depots if possible, destroy supply routes basically put them in a siege situation.
Welshbeef said:
Where are the IS controlled oil fields? Surely if we put boots on the ground with air support and the objective to recapture the oil that devastated one income stream. We/coalition can hold and defend them indefinitely.
So they only have donations - easy to stop and then racketeering I mean how emwealthy are Syrians surely not that much to take.
If it's bombing only then let's target ammo depots if possible, destroy supply routes basically put them in a siege situation.
I agree, Corbyn needs to rethink if he's capable of pulling himself out of a '70's squat. As for the rest of Labout hopefully they will be thinking deeply over the weekend about the success the UK can achieve under strong leadership, and get rid of him.So they only have donations - easy to stop and then racketeering I mean how emwealthy are Syrians surely not that much to take.
If it's bombing only then let's target ammo depots if possible, destroy supply routes basically put them in a siege situation.
The trouble is that the sensible version of the Labour party has been overwhelmed by people who are very poorly informed and/or have very sixth form views about the world, as well as some rather sinister types who deplore democracy and seek a form of revolutionary progress. Corbyn himself may be one of the latter, or he may just be very stupid and contrary, or some combination of all of these things. He has large support amongst the silly and the sinister. The moderate centre leftists who support social democracy and regulated capitalism may just have to leave, but to go where? The Lib Dems are an unprincipled rump, led by a homophobic born again Christian, so there is no refuge there.
otolith said:
Eric Mc said:
There is a lot of merit in these points. The problem with Corbyn is that he would hold these views no matter what evidence was put in front of him.
It's not so much the view on bombing Syria that matters, it's more the risk of having someone like Corbyn being able to bring himself EVER to use force.
Like the first guest on this;It's not so much the view on bombing Syria that matters, it's more the risk of having someone like Corbyn being able to bring himself EVER to use force.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06pxm49
She says that negotiation and pacifism is the solution but you have to think of ISIS as a rabid dog that's running amok. Telling it to sit and stop barking won't work; it will keep attacking you regardless and at some stage you have to react with force in order to prevent innocent people being injured or killed.
mybrainhurts said:
turbobloke said:
Beati Dogu said:
No he's doing a great job. He needs to hang on for at least one general election.
At least one. Two would be better.freshkid said:
Symbolica said:
It's one of life's ironies: so many small-scale conflicts with non-descript enemies over the past decade or two, and now one of the rare cases of a clear-cut enemy that absolutely detests us, that needs to be destroyed without pity and people are afraid to react because of the potential negative consequences. It's like a political equivalent of the boy that cried wolf.
I can't ever remember wishing before that a government bombed the absolute s
t out of somebody - yet now I really do.
Ok ISIS is a clear cut enemy...fine accepted. But why do you think bombing Syria will incapacitate them?I can't ever remember wishing before that a government bombed the absolute s
t out of somebody - yet now I really do.Burwood said:
freshkid said:
Symbolica said:
It's one of life's ironies: so many small-scale conflicts with non-descript enemies over the past decade or two, and now one of the rare cases of a clear-cut enemy that absolutely detests us, that needs to be destroyed without pity and people are afraid to react because of the potential negative consequences. It's like a political equivalent of the boy that cried wolf.
I can't ever remember wishing before that a government bombed the absolute st out of somebody - yet now I really do.
Ok ISIS is a clear cut enemy...fine accepted. But why do you think bombing Syria will incapacitate them?I can't ever remember wishing before that a government bombed the absolute s
t out of somebody - yet now I really do.Welshbeef said:
Where are the IS controlled oil fields?
http://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/Who-Is-Buying...
Oilprice said:
The 11 oil fields that IS controls in Iraq and Syria have made it a largely independent financial machine. Reports show that IS-controlled fields in Iraq produce between 25,000 and 40,000 barrels of oil per day, at an estimated value of approximately $1.2 million, before being smuggled out to Iran, Kurdistan, Turkey and Syria.
That doesn’t account for revenue from oil fields that IS has held much longer in Syria, which take the Islamist group’s daily profit to just under $3 million.
Oil smuggling is hardly new in Iraq and Syria -- Iran and Turkey have been major conduits for illegal oil exports since the days of Saddam Hussein. Those smuggling rings are still very active, and are now working with IS and contributing to its exploding wealth.
“The crude is transported by tankers to Jordan via Anbar province, to Iran via Kurdistan, to Turkey via Mosul, to Syria's local market and to the Kurdistan region of Iraq, where most of it gets refined locally,” Khatteeb explained. “Turkey has turned a blind eye to this and may continue to do so until they come under pressure from the West to close down oil black markets in the country's south.”
The whole region is a sThat doesn’t account for revenue from oil fields that IS has held much longer in Syria, which take the Islamist group’s daily profit to just under $3 million.
Oil smuggling is hardly new in Iraq and Syria -- Iran and Turkey have been major conduits for illegal oil exports since the days of Saddam Hussein. Those smuggling rings are still very active, and are now working with IS and contributing to its exploding wealth.
“The crude is transported by tankers to Jordan via Anbar province, to Iran via Kurdistan, to Turkey via Mosul, to Syria's local market and to the Kurdistan region of Iraq, where most of it gets refined locally,” Khatteeb explained. “Turkey has turned a blind eye to this and may continue to do so until they come under pressure from the West to close down oil black markets in the country's south.”
t hole of inter-connected political back stabbing, religious hatred, genocide and greed. We would be best to stay out of it because we will end up working with some undesirables who we will be bombing next year and bombing some undesirables now who we will be working with in two years time and so on. So stay out of it, but not in a Jeremy "they are all our friends" Corbyn way, but in the ignore the lot of them and do something else more interesting elsewhere instead with our time and money.You will never get them around a table for peace talks, so let them kick 7 bells of s
t out of each other.The smuggling thing perplexes me; with the amount of surveillance of the area with drones and satellites it should be practically impossible to shift something as large as a tanker truck without it being very obvious, especially as there are a limited number of routes that can be used to get the oil into Turkey. Blowing all the trucks up would put a damper on the smuggling effort and should be within the capabilities of the Reapers etc.
hidetheelephants said:
The smuggling thing perplexes me; with the amount of surveillance of the area with drones and satellites it should be practically impossible to shift something as large as a tanker truck without it being very obvious, especially as there are a limited number of routes that can be used to get the oil into Turkey. Blowing all the trucks up would put a damper on the smuggling effort and should be within the capabilities of the Reapers etc.
That makes up a substantial proportion of what the various air forces are targeting.http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-19/caught-ta...
Shows what is being done, but more worryingly shows the epic scale of the problem.
I know JC's dress sense is the least of his/Labour's problems at the moment and there are much bigger issues at hand, but I've just seen him on Sky shuffling down to the shops this morning in what appeared to be a shell suit from the Jimmy Saville collection. I appreciate he is under a lot of pressure at the moment (or at least he should be...), but he looked like a complete shambles.
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