Jeremy Corbyn

[Slaav]

RYH64E said:

There are several different groups to consider, Labour Party members, MPs and voters, and the wider electorate. Labour Party members have always been the most left wing of any of the groups, but for the first time since the days of Michael Foot they've managed to get a leader who's views are similar to their own. As there's been no move left by the wider electorate, and the Conservatives are doing quite well, I can't see why Corbyn should be any more successful than Foot.

I totally agree with this. Of all the main parties, the Left wing faction of Labour (yes, I know) are way more extreme than the perceived right wing nutters of the Conservatives.

The middle ground voters could, in extreme circumstances understand a right wing government but those same (even slightly left leaning ones) couldn't comprehend an extreme left Parliament implementing radical left wing student nutter policies.

With clear caveats, I believe it would be much easier to tone down an extreme right wing approach to become almost palatable - well palatable enough to most - to succeed. To achieve the same from the extreme left, you would have to move so far to the middle that you would be abandoning most of your principles.

This last point is, I believe, the root of the Labour parties issues with Corbyn. And his side kick on TV earlier (Sky) managed to contradict him on many points that he made an hour earlier on Andrew Marr! Most of the Labour luvvy MPs and Ministers simple want and need power. they are not worried how it is achieved. Corbyn at least appears to want to stick to his ideology - flawed (IMO) that it is!

[s3fella]

tim0409 said:

The Hypno-Toad said:

I've just seen the pictures of Jeremy out in his shell suit....

With that and his desperate determination to make sure that the decision the party comes to about bombing Syria is the one that HE wants, the image that it sends out to our enemies is very worrying. It will hopefully never happen but they must be praying that he somehow comes to power in the UK.

Still think the word Traitor comes to mind.

(from Twitter) Want to feel old? This is Brian Harvey from East 17 today.

Iz it becoz I iz tt?

[anonymous-user]

Slaav said:

.... Most of the Labour luvvy MPs and Ministers simple want and need power. they are not worried how it is achieved...

Or, they might just have views about what is best for the Country that aren't the same as yours, but aren't the same as Corbyn's either. In any event, a desire to obtain power isn't something exclusive to members of any one political party.

[Slaav]

Breadvan72 said:

Slaav said:

.... Most of the Labour luvvy MPs and Ministers simple want and need power. they are not worried how it is achieved...

Or, they might just have views about what is best for the Country that aren't the same as yours, but aren't the same as Corbyn's either. In any event, a desire to obtain power isn't something exclusive to members of any one political party.

Fair point but have no fear, I am perfectly aware that everybody doesn't agree with me! Especially on Politics

I also agree that the rather negative trait I alluded to isn't unique to any one group or Party. It is a shame though that there have been a worrying number of Politicians who have simply switched parties when they have failed to progress in one, switching to another to simply further their careers. Clearly I may be too cynical here and these culprits have simply 'seen the light' but ...

Now I am off to find some examples of the point I am poorly making

[tim0409]

bhstewie said:

I still find it funny and slightly alarming that Labour MPs want to overthrow Corbyn whilst Labour Party members absolutely overwhelmingly gave him a mandate.

Staggering just how far out of touch MPs seem to be with the electorate.

I'm sure that the moderate Labour MP's would argue that they are very much in touch with the electorate that voted for them earlier in the year (and the polls on Syrian action reflect this); they may not currently reflect the views of the party membership, but I am old fashioned in thinking a politician should represent those who vote for them, rather than a small minority of party members.

If Labour want to go down the road of adopting policies that are in tune with a narrow subset of the electorate (their current membership) then they will very quickly become an irrelevance and a side show. Sad, as I know a lot of decent long standing Labour activists who are appalled at the current situation. I am a Conservative, but governing parties need effective opposition.

Edited by tim0409 on Sunday 29th November 15:06

[hidetheelephants]

tim0409 said:

..., but governing parties need effective opposition.

This is the most galling aspect; the UK and Scotland in particular needs a functioning Labour party, but they are too busy tearing lumps out of each other to do the job they've been elected to do.

[0000]

hidetheelephants said:

This is the most galling aspect; the UK and Scotland in particular needs a functioning Labour party, but they are too busy tearing lumps out of each other to do the job they've been elected to do.

Functioning opposition. The sooner that's someone other than the Labour party the better. Corbyn's not exactly new to the party, he's just the latest floater.

[KTF]

Corbyn is going to go down 'fighting' (for want of a better term). No way is he going to just roll over and hand the baton to someone else.

This is going to go on for months yet

[mybrainhurts]

KTF said:

Corbyn is going to go down 'fighting' (for want of a better term). No way is he going to just roll over and hand the baton to someone else.

I like that thought.

How's it going to end, sweaty wrestling match, Jeremy's second = Diane Abbott..?

[anonymous-user]

0000 said:

Corbyn's not exactly new to the party, he's just the latest floater.

[steveT350C]

'An activist organisation which has Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn as patron has had its accounts closed down over fears that it may be funding terrorism.'

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Co...

[chrisgtx]

Even though I'm right wing, I think Corbyn has a point, I don't see the benefit of bombing a dirty dusty st hole with very very expensive bombs.
Our problem is (and will be after the next atrocity)with people who are already here, a bit like France.
I reckon we should concentrate on catching those misguided bell ends who live amongst us.
Although that's as far as I agree with him, he thinks they will get round a table and talk it through over some herbal tea and hummus.

[mybrainhurts]

[Pesty]

chrisgtx said:

Even though I'm right wing, I think Corbyn has a point, I don't see the benefit of bombing a dirty dusty st hole with very very expensive bombs.
Our problem is (and will be after the next atrocity)with people who are already here, a bit like France.
I reckon we should concentrate on catching those misguided bell ends who live amongst us.
Although that's as far as I agree with him, he thinks they will get round a table and talk it through over some herbal tea and hummus.

Half hearted precision bombs will make things worse.

I agree he has a point. I don't personally have the first clue how we should end Isis ( that anybody sane would agree to anyway)
My best bet is leave it to Russia. Other than that I'm on the fence to action or not. Either way bombs won't end this.

Edited by Pesty on Monday 30th November 03:48

[rovermorris999]

The UK bombing Syria is more about politics than anything else. The military difference we will make is small but the political solidarity matters.

[anonymous-user]

'I'm not going anywhere'

Let's hope he's right, but the irony was lost on him. How he thinks he has the mettle to ever be in the hot seat is mind boggling.

[Funk]

He gets to be king of the ashes though.

[hornetrider]

He's going to enforce the whip isn't he. This is going to be fun.

[Axionknight]

Nah, he won't.

[Cobnapint]

hornetrider said:

He's going to enforce the whip isn't he. This is going to be fun.

He's stupid - but is he THAT stupid...?

Party poppers ready just in case...