Jeremy Corbyn

[WestyCarl]

Axionknight said:

Nah, he won't.

Agree, he'll give everyone a free choice and call it "the new way of politics"

[Zod]

bhstewie said:

I still find it funny and slightly alarming that Labour MPs want to overthrow Corbyn whilst Labour Party members absolutely overwhelmingly gave him a mandate.

Staggering just how far out of touch MPs seem to be with the electorate.

You are confusing a few tens of thousands of activists with the electorate. The Labour Party membership does not elect Parliament. The electorate does.

Edited by Zod on Monday 30th November 10:15

[Zod]

Diane Abbott on the Today Programme this morning said that it is important that the whip be enforced because to do otherwise would "hand victory to David Cameron". With Corbyn, the motivation is his unthinking anti-Western position. For Abbott, like Milliband last time, it is naked politics.

[Timmy40]

Zod said:

bhstewie said:

I still find it funny and slightly alarming that Labour MPs want to overthrow Corbyn whilst Labour Party members absolutely overwhelmingly gave him a mandate.

Staggering just how far out of touch MPs seem to be with the electorate.

You are confusing a few tens of thousands of activists with the electorate. The Labour Party membership does not elect Parliament. The electorate does.

Edited by Zod on Monday 30th November 10:15

Spot on. Corbyn was elected largely by a tiwttermob drawn from the fringe far left of society. 'Just' 180k people joined the party, swelling it's membership to 370k.

We are repeatedly told Corbyn has the overwhelming support of the membership at 60%, but taking ( a valid IMO ) assumption that the 180k strong twitter mob joined to vote Corbyn, if you strip that 180k out, Corbyns share of the vote <Milibrains disastrous changes, falls from 60% to 20%.

The fact is that without the services of a twittermob and millibrains poorly thought of changes Corbyn would never have been able to cease power.

[anonymous-user]

You mean seize power, not cease power. I think that you are correct about the numbers. Silly sixth form types (including some quite old people with silly sixth form heads), revolutionary leftist wreckers, and probably a fair few cynical three quid Tories swelled the Corbyn vote. This isn't Labour going back to its roots, as its roots are much more in social democracy than in loony leftism. The party has been hijacked, probably forever. Miliband deserves to be castigated as the destroyer of the party even more than the idiot Corbyn himself.

[johnxjsc1985]

Zod said:

Diane Abbott on the Today Programme this morning said that it is important that the whip be enforced because to do otherwise would "hand victory to David Cameron". With Corbyn, the motivation is his unthinking anti-Western position. For Abbott, like Milliband last time, it is naked politics.

why did you use "Abbott and naked" in the same sentence.
Now we are getting close to a situation that many people thought would happen to Corbyn. He cannot force the Whip having gone against it himself so many times and if he does not then it looks like "HIS OWN" shadow cabinet will vote against him. We thought Milliband was a gift but this guy is on another level altogether and quite likely on another planet.

[AAGR]

'Abbott' and 'naked' in the same breath .... no, I can't, I just can't....

[johnxjsc1985]

just thinking back to the vote for the leadership election featuring the Miliband brothers and how they got that one wrong big time.

[Rovinghawk]

Breadvan72 said:

You mean seize power, not cease power.

tbf I think he was pretty accurate.

[Timmy40]

Rovinghawk said:

Breadvan72 said:

You mean seize power, not cease power.

tbf I think he was pretty accurate.

I'm going to claim it as a freudian slip as I do wish he'd cease power. I've always voted Conservative, probably always will, BUT that doesn't mean I always want a Conservative Government ( parties need to rest from Government every so often ), or that I don't want their to be a credible opposition/alternative to the Conservatives as a Government. We need a moderate Labour party who can occupy Government from time to time without it being a total disaster, that balance as now gone. Cameron isn't very good....yet what does Corbyn do at PMQs quote emails on the same topic again and again, rather than actually challenge Government policies, Osbourne could have had a right going over for his budget u-turn, what does he get...Mao's little red book thrown at him, it's pathetic. And the whole of the UK is worse for it. Corbyn should do the decent thing and go, but he won't.

[Langweilig]

johnxjsc1985 said:

Zod said:

Diane Abbott on the Today Programme this morning said that it is important that the whip be enforced because to do otherwise would "hand victory to David Cameron". With Corbyn, the motivation is his unthinking anti-Western position. For Abbott, like Milliband last time, it is naked politics.

why did you use "Abbott and naked" in the same sentence.
Now we are getting close to a situation that many people thought would happen to Corbyn. He cannot force the Whip having gone against it himself so many times and if he does not then it looks like "HIS OWN" shadow cabinet will vote against him. We thought Milliband was a gift but this guy is on another level altogether and quite likely on another planet.

EFA - "Abbott, naked and whip". Well, if that's what they're into, who am I to question what happens between consenting adults?

[AAGR]

I just wish Corbyn would not give the impression of being completely smug about everything he says, proposes, or (presumably) thinks.

Has he never even thought that there might be a different way ?

[mybrainhurts]

AAGR said:

'Abbott' and 'naked' in the same breath .... no, I can't, I just can't....

Beat me to it. I shuddered....

[hornetrider]

AAGR said:

I just wish Corbyn would not give the impression of being completely smug about everything he says, proposes, or (presumably) thinks.

Has he never even thought that there might be a different way ?

Perceived moral superiority is quite often a trait of those on the left side of politics.

[Funk]

hornetrider said:

AAGR said:

I just wish Corbyn would not give the impression of being completely smug about everything he says, proposes, or (presumably) thinks.

Has he never even thought that there might be a different way ?

Perceived moral superiority is quite often a trait of those on the left side of politics.

Don't ever listen to Abbott on TV or radio; her patronising tone (especially when she's in the wrong) makes me want to murder puppies.

[Welshbeef]

AAGR said:

I just wish Corbyn would not give the impression of being completely smug about everything he says, proposes, or (presumably) thinks.

Has he never even thought that there might be a different way ?

But his position on Syria is a non position - it's easy to say no, instead he should say no we don't want to do that we need to do this instead. Which doesn't mean sitting down for face to face with them for a chat. Instead target the oil wells destroy their funding destroy their supply chain that will strangle them out.

[johnxjsc1985]

hornetrider said:

Perceived moral superiority is quite often a trait of those on the left side of politics.

that come from a very comfortable family home and have a Grammar School Education.

[Triumph Man]

AAGR said:

'Abbott' and 'naked' in the same breath .... no, I can't, I just can't....

Not a pleasant thought. think of Thatcher instead.

[mybrainhurts]

hornetrider said:

He's going to enforce the whip isn't he. This is going to be fun.

[johnxjsc1985]

Triumph Man said:

Not a pleasant thought. think of Thatcher instead.

this may work for you then.