Discussion
johnxjsc1985 said:
Is this man of "high Principles" (so called) really just concerned with finding a way not to lose face.
He is looking to come out of it by saying this is the Labour Parties position making his shadow cabinet colleagues look like s
ts.
Instead of Paris if it had been London what then?.
He would have invited the ISIL fighters around for a civilised chat over a cup of tea to work out a solution, there's nothing which can't be solved by dialogue even if it's a fundamentalist jihadist who believes that anyone not adherring to his specific interpretation of his specific religion should die. After the ISIL fighters had cut off his head and detonated their suicide vests Corbyn would at least have retained the moral high ground. Which is what really matters. He is looking to come out of it by saying this is the Labour Parties position making his shadow cabinet colleagues look like s
ts.Instead of Paris if it had been London what then?.
Timmy40 said:
After the ISIL fighters had cut off his head and detonated their suicide vests Corbyn would at least have retained the moral high ground. Which is what really matters.
Except even then he'd be wrong as the ISIL chaps would know they'd come out best. I don't think they'd be all that interested in his weird moral scruples, they've plenty of their own!Grauniad said:
...In summary, the poll shows the depth and breadth of opposition to Corbyn as Labour leader and the policies and issues he represents. The party is winning tenuous support from former Lib Dems and Greens because of Corbyn, while simultaneously losing support from voters who best reflect public opinion. In so doing it is choosing to represent a dwindling section of the electorate that not only does not reflect the breadth of public opinion but is blissfully unconcerned by it.
Should Corbyn fall on his sword it is more than likely those voters who have recently attached themselves to the party will drift away again, leaving Labour with the 68% it has retained from May. By that point it will have so alienated itself from public opinion as to be considered unelectable by those voters who would quite like a bit of economic security and competence. The third of voters it has lost may well choose to permanently close the door on any return. All of which slowly and inexorably sends a great political institution towards its unfortunate but inevitable death.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/datablog/2015/nov/30/labour-losing-touch-public-opinion-research-suggestsShould Corbyn fall on his sword it is more than likely those voters who have recently attached themselves to the party will drift away again, leaving Labour with the 68% it has retained from May. By that point it will have so alienated itself from public opinion as to be considered unelectable by those voters who would quite like a bit of economic security and competence. The third of voters it has lost may well choose to permanently close the door on any return. All of which slowly and inexorably sends a great political institution towards its unfortunate but inevitable death.
The trade unions got what they wanted with Corbyn ,the labour membership got what they wanted and the two probably are one and the same.
But the labour party have to appeal to the country not just the 3% of their voters and it seems Corbyn doesn't get this he is leading in a bubble.
A strong Labour party is necessary to establish strong opposition this is going downhill faster than anyone thought it could do.
But the labour party have to appeal to the country not just the 3% of their voters and it seems Corbyn doesn't get this he is leading in a bubble.
A strong Labour party is necessary to establish strong opposition this is going downhill faster than anyone thought it could do.
Breadvan72 said:
Grauniad said:
...In summary, the poll shows the depth and breadth of opposition to Corbyn as Labour leader and the policies and issues he represents. The party is winning tenuous support from former Lib Dems and Greens because of Corbyn, while simultaneously losing support from voters who best reflect public opinion. In so doing it is choosing to represent a dwindling section of the electorate that not only does not reflect the breadth of public opinion but is blissfully unconcerned by it.
Should Corbyn fall on his sword it is more than likely those voters who have recently attached themselves to the party will drift away again, leaving Labour with the 68% it has retained from May. By that point it will have so alienated itself from public opinion as to be considered unelectable by those voters who would quite like a bit of economic security and competence. The third of voters it has lost may well choose to permanently close the door on any return. All of which slowly and inexorably sends a great political institution towards its unfortunate but inevitable death.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/datablog/2015/nov/30/labour-losing-touch-public-opinion-research-suggestsShould Corbyn fall on his sword it is more than likely those voters who have recently attached themselves to the party will drift away again, leaving Labour with the 68% it has retained from May. By that point it will have so alienated itself from public opinion as to be considered unelectable by those voters who would quite like a bit of economic security and competence. The third of voters it has lost may well choose to permanently close the door on any return. All of which slowly and inexorably sends a great political institution towards its unfortunate but inevitable death.
I think that Guardian article pretty much hits the nail on the head as far as I'm concerned.
Corbyn supporters seem to think that because a core group have effectively mobilised to get him elected as leader, this represents a sea-change in British politics. It's just a noisy minority doing a very good job of making their voice heard whilst failing to appreciate that all they're doing is guaranteeing an even larger Tory majority at the next election.
I think reality is going to give them a pretty harsh wake up call over the next five years. And it will take the Labour Party years to rebuild after it inevitably tears itself apart in the meantime.
Corbyn supporters seem to think that because a core group have effectively mobilised to get him elected as leader, this represents a sea-change in British politics. It's just a noisy minority doing a very good job of making their voice heard whilst failing to appreciate that all they're doing is guaranteeing an even larger Tory majority at the next election.
I think reality is going to give them a pretty harsh wake up call over the next five years. And it will take the Labour Party years to rebuild after it inevitably tears itself apart in the meantime.
deadslow said:
The Hypno-Toad said:
like most left wingers a bully at heart.
that's quite funny seeing as how the tory party is embroiled in a bullying scandal and the chairman is likely to be invited to go.Short memory?
McPoison
Alastair Bullyboy
Campbell Worse than McPoison
The Labour Party Is A Deluded Bullying Cult says Labour MP
Liz Kendall Blasts Vitriolic Bullying in Labour Party
Labour Politicians Bullied by Corbyn Allies
Furious Labour MPs Accuse Diane Abbott of Bullying
Corbyn will be Significantly Undermined if he Fails to Get a Grip on Corbynista Bullies
Corbyn makes for a fitting close after mentions of silly cults.
lauda said:
...It's just a noisy minority doing a very good job of making their voice heard ...
I would add that the Corbyn twittertwits are mainly making their voice heard by themselves. It's the politics of self indulgence. A bit like the typical N,P&L echo chamber thread, but rather more nationally significant.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff