Jeremy Corbyn

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eharding

13,602 posts

283 months

Monday 30th November 2015
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Halb said:
Corbyn didn't need the £3-ers.
"However, Corbyn was elected Labour Party Leader in a landslide victory on 12 September 2015, having received 59.5% of first-preference votes thereby winning the first round of voting; it has been calculated that Corbyn would still have won in the first round with 51% of votes, even without "£3 registered supporters", having gained the support of 49.6% of full members and 57.6% of affiliated (Trade Union) supporters."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Corbyn#Leader...
That's the beauty of the whole thing.

Labour would have fundamentally delivered itself a sickening punch in the nuts by electing Corbyn even without the likes of us £3 #ToriesForCorbyn gits.

The margin would have been smaller though, and his mandate less pronounced.

With our help, however, Corbyn and his chums have convinced themselves they have a mandate to keep punching themselves in the nuts for the foreseeable future.

Sweet. In fact, Cartman Sweeeet.

KTF

9,788 posts

149 months

Tuesday 1st December 2015
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XCP said:
What does it mean?
It shows how the voters who have voted (left side) would vote now. For example the people who voted Conservative have mainly stayed Conservative but a few have switched to Labour, some to UKIP, some Dont Know, etc.

anonymous-user

53 months

Tuesday 1st December 2015
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XCP said:
What does it mean?
It's an proportional change flow trend chart easier to understand and can't be skewed or read wrongly. It's clever because it can cope with variations in gross data and shows a true picture.
I think.

anonymous-user

53 months

Tuesday 1st December 2015
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KTF said:
XCP said:
What does it mean?
It shows how the voters who have voted (left side) would vote now. For example the people who voted Conservative have mainly stayed Conservative but a few have switched to Labour, some to UKIP, some Dont Know, etc.
I was wondering who the new political DK group was. Democratic K . . hehe

Bullett

10,873 posts

183 months

Tuesday 1st December 2015
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The boy was looking a bit scruffy in his schol this morning.
I told him to take some pride in his appearance, he's not the leader of the opposition.

I got a funny look.

Gargamel

14,958 posts

260 months

Tuesday 1st December 2015
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This line from that Guardian article really highlights how on even a run of the mill policy debate JC is so out of step with the public.

More than three-quarters (76%) of all respondents believe there should be an upper limit on the amount of welfare a household can claim. Here Corbyn’s avowed opposition to a benefits cap puts him at odds not only with broader public opinion but also with Labour supporters and recent converts to the party.

Now having principles about Nuclear War, The monarchy and Foreign conflicts, might win you admirers if you take a stand as a Democrat, pacifist etc. Then it could be noble or admirable.

But on a managerial policy such as Benefits, you CANNOT be so out of step with your electorate, he is leaving no room for debate or compromise, and as such can never win a wider election.

I actually think Labour will even lose a 14000 seat majority at the upcoming by election.

FunkyNige

8,859 posts

274 months

Tuesday 1st December 2015
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KTF said:
XCP said:
What does it mean?
It shows how the voters who have voted (left side) would vote now. For example the people who voted Conservative have mainly stayed Conservative but a few have switched to Labour, some to UKIP, some Dont Know, etc.
The conservatives portion seems to have shrunk an awful lot - using the highly scientific method of holding a ruler up to the screen they've gone from 74mm to 64mm, about a 13% drop. But as most have gone to Don't Know, can we assume that these people started as Don't Know, voted conservative (messing up the polls before the last election) and now have gone back to Don't Know until the next election?

richardxjr

7,561 posts

209 months

Tuesday 1st December 2015
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Gargamel said:
I actually think Labour will even lose a 14000 seat majority at the upcoming by election.
Bookies are saying Lab Majority under 2000 & shortening.




Andy Zarse

10,868 posts

246 months

Tuesday 1st December 2015
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turbobloke said:
Breadvan72 said:
As others have noted, the real idiot here is Miliband, who as well as being hopeless as leader did the stupid three quid thing.
yes
Really, if you think about it, Corbyn's parlous predicament all goes back to 2013 when Silli Milli decided to play party politics with the original vote on bombing Syria.

Who can forget the smug grin on his face after his last minute switch of sides, and at having humiliated guileless Dave. My view is Milli thought he'd fired the first salvo in the battle for the 2015 election. In fact it turns out his Labour-propelled ineptitude-seeking missile has turned round and is now heading back to base at a very high velocity.

I wonder if Ed has taken the Saddam Hussein tactic of vanishing down a hole to grow a beard?




Anyway, there's a deliciousness to the fact that later today, Jezbollah's Stop The War rent-a-thugs are holding a demonstration outside the offices of Labour HQ. Yes I know! I'd like to think Jez will be there too, railing against the evil Tory warmongers inside, AKA his own shadow cabinet.

Straight talking honest politics...

Gargamel

14,958 posts

260 months

Tuesday 1st December 2015
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Andy Zarse said:
Labour-propelled ineptitude-seeking missile
If we can get these into production we should use them on IS, much cheaper than Hellfire and each on only costs 1 Labour front bencher.

Cobnapint

8,598 posts

150 months

Tuesday 1st December 2015
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richardxjr said:
Gargamel said:
I actually think Labour will even lose a 14000 seat majority at the upcoming by election.
Bookies are saying Lab Majority under 2000 & shortening.
If they lose, it'll trigger the beginning of the end for Corbyn.

Stickyfinger

8,429 posts

104 months

Tuesday 1st December 2015
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Cobnapint said:
If they lose, it'll trigger the beginning of the end for Corbyn.
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Lets hope they don't loose, I have £3.00 and some popcorn invested in this show

anonymous-user

53 months

Tuesday 1st December 2015
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Stickyfinger said:
Lets hope they don't loose, I have £3.00 and some popcorn invested in this show
Tory voter then eh? I wish I had invested too it's a classic case of buying-in to a nutcase to achieve the greater objective. A great investment and it's better than a sitcom. I hope it all carries on as its the best political entertainment for years, the Conservatives seem to be silent on the Corbyn ineptitude and for good reason as they can just watch him destroy Labour from within.

XJ40

5,983 posts

212 months

Tuesday 1st December 2015
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In the interests of giving balance to this thread, I'd say that whilst I could never vote for Jezzer I do respect him as a principled politician who is a tricky position now as opposion leader and unsuited to the work.

He should have never had the chance at this, Labour have really messed up with letting three quid party member elect the leader, they're going to have to change that st to PLP only. As something of a centrist I could just about entertain the idea of voting for a David Millipede/Liz Kendall type blairite, but this hard left experiment is dead end, minority politics and going nowhere.

turbobloke

103,748 posts

259 months

Tuesday 1st December 2015
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XJ40 said:
In the interests of giving balance to this thread, I'd say that whilst I could never vote for Jezzer I do respect him as a principled politician who is a tricky position now as opposion leader and unsuited to the work.
ISWYM but his principles of self-awareness and the principle of supporting the greater good of the greater number (live long and prosper) ought to have led him to step down or not put his name forward in the first place. Also the fact that his principles are largely or wholly untenable does have some part to play in all this.

johnxjsc1985

15,948 posts

163 months

Tuesday 1st December 2015
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turbobloke said:
ISWYM but his principles of self-awareness and the principle of supporting the greater good of the greater number (live long and prosper) ought to have led him to step down or not put his name forward in the first place. Also the fact that his principles are largely or wholly untenable does have some part to play in all this.
what a shame he didn't reveal these opinions before the Labour leader election......oh hang on he did didn't he.
With him Abbott and Livingston now on the TV daily its a bit like back to the 80's and that didn't go well for Labour then either.

turbobloke

103,748 posts

259 months

Tuesday 1st December 2015
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johnxjsc1985 said:
turbobloke said:
ISWYM but his principles of self-awareness and the principle of supporting the greater good of the greater number (live long and prosper) ought to have led him to step down or not put his name forward in the first place. Also the fact that his principles are largely or wholly untenable does have some part to play in all this.
what a shame he didn't reveal these opinions before the Labour leader election......oh hang on he did didn't he.
With him Abbott and Livingston now on the TV daily its a bit like back to the 80's and that didn't go well for Labour then either.
Which means it's great news for the country as all being well Labour will be out in the wilderness for years.

Zod

35,295 posts

257 months

Tuesday 1st December 2015
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XJ40 said:
In the interests of giving balance to this thread, I'd say that whilst I could never vote for Jezzer I do respect him as a principled politician who is a tricky position now as opposion leader and unsuited to the work.

He should have never had the chance at this, Labour have really messed up with letting three quid party member elect the leader, they're going to have to change that st to PLP only. As something of a centrist I could just about entertain the idea of voting for a David Millipede/Liz Kendall type blairite, but this hard left experiment is dead end, minority politics and going nowhere.
He is not principled, unless taking the attitude that the West is always wrong is a principle. He is an ignorant old man with no ability to think hard enough to adapt his ideas to fit a changed world.

longblackcoat

5,047 posts

182 months

Tuesday 1st December 2015
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Zod said:
He is an ignorant old man with no ability to think hard enough to adapt his ideas to fit a changed world.
At the same time, there's not much wrong with the statement below. I have almost no time for Corbyn (and I speak as a Labour voter who's now seriously out of step with his party), but I'm inclined to his view on this issue, at least in respect of whether the Government should be supported on the issue as it's been presented to the HoC.

Where I'm out of step with him is that I don't think there's any circumstance in which he'd commit to a military campaign.

I simply don't believe that there's any circumstance in which this will be successful without Allied ground troops getting involved, and despite best efforts, some will die. So let's be really clear what it is we're committing to, what the dependencies are, and what we actually hope to achieve. Because people are going to die - not just the nasty IS types, unfortunately - and we have to be prepared for that.

Corbyn said:
I’m saying to every MP, you make up your own mind, there’s no hiding place behind a whipping arrangement or not, it’s your decision on behalf of your constituents on whether or not we should commit British troops into yet another war in the Middle East with no end game in sight, no proper plan in sight, a mythical 75,000-strong apparently unknown Free Syrian Army, the operation which is also infiltrated by a lot of Jihadist elements and I think we are going in to a very dangerous situation altogether.

Vaud

50,291 posts

154 months

Tuesday 1st December 2015
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richardxjr said:
Bookies are saying Lab Majority under 2000 & shortening.
Let's face it, to lose would be the loss of Corbyn's position?

To lose a massive majority (say down to 1000-3000) would be worse for the party - it wouldn't drive immediate change.
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