Jeremy Corbyn

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Stickyfinger said:

and this..... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afdeFuJbK3E

they are deep within, educated and they VOTE

Superb piece.

[lauda]

BJG1 said:

When you say "this bunch" who are you referring to? Tom Watson is in favour of airstrikes.

So is Hilary Benn. I thought they both looked pretty uncomfortable today during Corbyn's speech.

Watson also makes a fairly convincing Ray Winstone look-a-like when he looks miserable. Which is most of the time.

[anonymous-user]

And lastly, because my piss is boiling again, that idiot Livingstone said if the UK engage in airstikes:

"They will be more determined to come here and kill us."

How determined are they already then? Not much or a lot? Does he even know? Or is it about trying to hide away and 'hope' ISIS pass us by on their stated way to taking over the world - maybe deciding not to behead Ken the Krank because of his sympathetic view of them?

The works urinals are still steaming after my reading the comment he made about the London bombings being done by people who 'Gave Their Lives' so off now for a bit more porcelain pyrotechnics....

[Timmy40]

Corbyn, Livingstone and Galloway, all of the same mould and generation. A horrible bunch of indiviudals IMO. To say that they are principled because they adhere tenaciously to a narrow objectionable ideology is little different to saying Hilter or Stalin were principled. I suppose you could say the leaders of ISIS a very principled, but that's not a good thing. I just don't see why being so very principled AKA narrow minded is seen by so many as one of Corbyns redeeming features.

[DavidJG]

V6Pushfit said:

And lastly, because my piss is boiling again, that idiot Livingstone said if the UK engage in airstikes:

"They will be more determined to come here and kill us."

How determined are they already then? Not much or a lot? Does he even know? Or is it about trying to hide away and 'hope' ISIS pass us by on their stated way to taking over the world - maybe deciding not to behead Ken the Krank because of his sympathetic view of them?

The works urinals are still steaming after my reading the comment he made about the London bombings being done by people who 'Gave Their Lives' so off now for a bit more porcelain pyrotechnics....

Couple this with Corbyn referring to terrorist organizations (Hamas et al) as 'Our Friends' and I come back to my point of many pages ago that Corbyn / Livingstone / Abbott, should they ever come to power, would represent a sizeable threat to our national security.

These three would never get any form of UK security clearance beyond BPSS, so the fact that they're allowed into positions where they have input into the running of our country is kind of scary.

[Halb]

essayer said:

e: Superb timing from Rees-Mogg

What did he do?

[bitchstewie]

V6Pushfit said:

And lastly, because my piss is boiling again, that idiot Livingstone said if the UK engage in airstikes:

"They will be more determined to come here and kill us."

How determined are they already then? Not much or a lot? Does he even know? Or is it about trying to hide away and 'hope' ISIS pass us by on their stated way to taking over the world - maybe deciding not to behead Ken the Krank because of his sympathetic view of them?

The works urinals are still steaming after my reading the comment he made about the London bombings being done by people who 'Gave Their Lives' so off now for a bit more porcelain pyrotechnics....

Thing is once you stop being indignant about who it is and simply take the words at face value, I tend to agree with him - and believe me I have practically zero time for Livingstone.

If you drop bombs on people, no matter how much they hate us already, it's only going to go one way and make them hate us more - I don't think that can be disputed.

You can bomb the st of of Syria and it won't stop a couple of guys in the Molenbeek doing the same thing again.

As for the "gave their lives" thing I saw the headline on the new the morning after Question Time yet when I watched it on iPlayer I didn't really see the reason for the outrage - you can give your life for a cause but still be a mistaken ahole who gave it for a wicked cause.

[Timmy40]

bhstewie said:

V6Pushfit said:

And lastly, because my piss is boiling again, that idiot Livingstone said if the UK engage in airstikes:

"They will be more determined to come here and kill us."

How determined are they already then? Not much or a lot? Does he even know? Or is it about trying to hide away and 'hope' ISIS pass us by on their stated way to taking over the world - maybe deciding not to behead Ken the Krank because of his sympathetic view of them?

The works urinals are still steaming after my reading the comment he made about the London bombings being done by people who 'Gave Their Lives' so off now for a bit more porcelain pyrotechnics....

Thing is once you stop being indignant about who it is and simply take the words at face value, I tend to agree with him - and believe me I have practically zero time for Livingstone.

If you drop bombs on people, no matter how much they hate us already, it's only going to go one way and make them hate us more - I don't think that can be disputed.

You can bomb the st of of Syria and it won't stop a couple of guys in the Molenbeek doing the same thing again.

As for the "gave their lives" thing I saw the headline on the new the morning after Question Time yet when I watched it on iPlayer I didn't really see the reason for the outrage - you can give your life for a cause but still be a mistaken ahole who gave it for a wicked cause.

We are already dropping bombs on ISIL and have been for some time. It makes no sense to be bombing one part of the Caliphate and not another because of an arbitrary line in the sand which we recognise but ISIL don't.

[drivin_me_nuts]

if i've got this right, our bombing commitment will be 8 planes with no more than 2 at a time in the air.

And there was me thinking that we were talking of something the size of an 'air armada'.

[Burwood]

V6Pushfit said:

And lastly, because my piss is boiling again, that idiot Livingstone said if the UK engage in airstikes:

"They will be more determined to come here and kill us."

How determined are they already then? Not much or a lot? Does he even know? Or is it about trying to hide away and 'hope' ISIS pass us by on their stated way to taking over the world - maybe deciding not to behead Ken the Krank because of his sympathetic view of them?

The works urinals are still steaming after my reading the comment he made about the London bombings being done by people who 'Gave Their Lives' so off now for a bit more porcelain pyrotechnics....

I tend to agree that you can't get more determined. Is there a higher level than 'hell-bent'. I think not. I also think our security services here are doing mighty fine job foiling these attacks before they take place.

[Axionknight]

drivin_me_nuts said:

if i've got this right, our bombing commitment will be 8 planes with no more than 2 at a time in the air.

And there was me thinking that we were talking of something the size of an 'air armada'.

The air craft carriers and their squadrens of many are on stand by as we speak.

Oh wait......

[bitchstewie]

Timmy40 said:

We are already dropping bombs on ISIL and have been for some time. It makes no sense to be bombing one part of the Caliphate and not another because of an arbitrary line in the sand which we recognise but ISIL don't.

It's a fair point but it doesn't feel as if it's worked out spectacularly well.

It's as if politicians need to be seen to do something but actually have no idea what the something should be, so bombs it is then.

I don't know what that something should be either, it's a fine line but this feels like a knee jerk rather than something that will achieve anything.

[XJ40]

It's all a bit of a symbolic gesture to show solidarity with France and other coalition partners, whilst being seen to be doing something. Seems like good politics by the government, I'm in favour, but whether it'll achieve much seems unlikely..

[Stickyfinger]

Axionknight said:

The air craft carriers

In this case that is Cyprus

[Eric Mc]

Margaret Beckett plays a blinder. Well done her.

[anonymous-user]

bhstewie said:

Thing is once you stop being indignant about who it is and simply take the words at face value, I tend to agree with him - and believe me I have practically zero time for Livingstone.

If you drop bombs on people, no matter how much they hate us already, it's only going to go one way and make them hate us more - I don't think that can be disputed.

You can bomb the st of of Syria and it won't stop a couple of guys in the Molenbeek doing the same thing again.

As for the "gave their lives" thing I saw the headline on the new the morning after Question Time yet when I watched it on iPlayer I didn't really see the reason for the outrage - you can give your life for a cause but still be a mistaken ahole who gave it for a wicked cause.

Where does the 'hate us more' come from? Is there something worse than wanting to destroy us, behead us as non believers, and wanting to put society back to medieval times?
As for the guys in Molenbeek - our doing nothing won't stop them either.
Whilst your attempt at suggesting we sit in our arses is 'principled' it is really the stuff of denial. If we get our heads out of the sand in the UK then there is a good chance that this global threat can be stopped. In fact it is already more than a threat as its in motion.

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Eric Mc said:

Margaret Beckett plays a blinder. Well done her.

Please don't tell me she's done a striptease. Please don't...

Edit...wait, she's going to take her caravan to Syria...and blow it up?

[mybrainhurts]

bhstewie said:

Thing is once you stop being indignant about who it is and simply take the words at face value, I tend to agree with him - and believe me I have practically zero time for Livingstone.

If you drop bombs on people, no matter how much they hate us already, it's only going to go one way and make them hate us more - I don't think that can be disputed.

Aye, the Nazis really hated our bombers. Good job we didn't try harder and really piss them off, we might have lost the war...

[bitchstewie]

V6Pushfit said:

Where does the 'hate us more' come from? Is there something worse than wanting to destroy us, behead us as non believers, and wanting to put society back to medieval times?
As for the guys in Molenbeek - our doing nothing won't stop them either.
Whilst your attempt at suggesting we sit in our arses is 'principled' it is really the stuff of denial. If we get our heads out of the sand in the UK then there is a good chance that this global threat can be stopped. In fact it is already more than a threat as its in motion.

I'm not suggesting we sit on our arses and I'm not saying it because I'm principled I'm saying it because I'm practical.

If you could guarantee me that dropping bombs on Syria would only deal with IS I'd have no issue with it whatsoever.

What I'm uncomfortable with is that people simply ignore or choose to overlook the collateral damage - I've no doubt we're careful but I've also no doubt plenty of innocent people will die.

Dropping bombs a few thousand miles away is easy to support because it's faceless and impersonal.

Once you think through the consequences and implications of doing so I don't believe it helps us at all other than very short term in that it's revenge and we're seen to be supporting our allies.

If you strip all of the emotion out of it and simply look at the case for and against, I see some very good reasons "against", all I see "for" is "supporting our allies" and "it's the right thing to do".

Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya haven't left us "safer", this won't either.

[Type R Tom]

V6Pushfit said:

Where does the 'hate us more' come from? Is there something worse than wanting to destroy us, behead us as non believers, and wanting to put society back to medieval times?

It's not funny but I can't help thinking of Blackadders "a fate worse than a fate worse than death"