Jeremy Corbyn

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turbobloke

103,863 posts

260 months

Thursday 3rd December 2015
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BOR said:
turbobloke said:
The Don of Croy said:
Norm Robinson on R4 this morning says Stella Creasy had protestors outside her house, as well as the more familiar Twitter abuse.
That would be the tolerant Left at work.
Hopefully she won't commit suicide. Like that Tory that the other Tories bullied.
Dreadful thing to happen. A resignation was inevitable and the investigation is still ongoing iirc.

However stark the above example is, the sheer weight of numbers makes the intolerant Left a particularly widespread, vile and utterly unpleasant mob. It's been active since Campbell and McPoison set the tone by descending from the gutter to the sewer, and it's still out there as we've seen over the past week.

After waving the death shroud of a young man in an attempt to score a political point, here's sincerely hoping the work of so many lefty bullies doesn't come to bite your ass with a similar tragedy. Fingers crossed.

chris watton

22,477 posts

260 months

Thursday 3rd December 2015
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Timmy40 said:
chris watton said:
And they call the Tories 'The Nasty Party'. Labour grass roots showing their true colours recently, and it is not at all pretty.

How their tactics aren't deemed illegal is puzzling!
I don't think Corbyns twitter mob/stop the war mob (who IMO largely make up the 200k new members who paid there £3) represent grass roots Labour. And they certainly don't represent the vast majority of the 6m people who voted Labour. The equivalent would be the Conservatives making the same idiotic membership rule changes and 50k BNP voters/agitators taking over the Party then someone saying "well that's what the tories are really like". You only have to listen to the comments being made by Labour voters on the doorsteps of Oldham to realise that.
Disgruntled Labour voter, perchance?

Hosenbugler

1,854 posts

102 months

Thursday 3rd December 2015
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The Don of Croy said:
Reading about the Stop the War Coalition and it's aims we're bumping into student agit-prop stuff again, but now they feel they've got their man at the table with the big boys so, obviously, their voice must be heard.
The STWC are far nastier than just a bunch of hysterical students. They get into bed with these apologists for Islamist extremism.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31657333

These ARE the "terrorist sympathisers" . People Corbyn actively works and associates with. Corbyn, leader of the Labour Party.

Langweilig

4,324 posts

211 months

Thursday 3rd December 2015
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On the strength of Hilary Benn' speech, he should be Leader of the Opposition, not Comrade Corbyn.

paulrockliffe

15,679 posts

227 months

Thursday 3rd December 2015
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Halb said:
johnxjsc1985 said:
Corbyn is a wacko he has opinions and views that would have been relevant in the 60's as long as you were stoned out of your mind and he has given a voice to all the loony lefties.
The longer he hangs around the more the Labour party will be damaged it is in tatters at the moment and he isn't about to bring it back to being an effective opposition any time soon
The future?
http://new.spectator.co.uk/2015/12/after-jeremy-co...
article said:
There are two distinct anti-Corbyn strategies being touted at the moment. The first is to make doing the job so difficult for him that he resigns. But there are no signs that Corbyn intends to walk away. Ever since party conference, he has been rather enjoying himself.

The other strategy is more high-risk. It is to force him out now and gamble that the party rulebook wouldn’t allow Corbyn to stand again unless he got the nominations of 35 MPs, which he would struggle to do. If this heist could be pulled off, the grassroots would scream blue murder. The leader they overwhelmingly elected would have been forced out in a parliamentary coup. But the advocates of this strategy say that there could be no alternative, because by the next conference the leadership will have fixed the rules so that Corbyn is automatically on the ballot and, with grassroots opinion the way it is, he would defeat any challenger.
The principled approach would to respect the views of the party members, followed by resignations, by elections and a new party, but that would leave both Labour parties unable to obtain a majority so there's no way that'll happen.

Timmy40

12,915 posts

198 months

Thursday 3rd December 2015
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chris watton said:
Timmy40 said:
chris watton said:
And they call the Tories 'The Nasty Party'. Labour grass roots showing their true colours recently, and it is not at all pretty.

How their tactics aren't deemed illegal is puzzling!
I don't think Corbyns twitter mob/stop the war mob (who IMO largely make up the 200k new members who paid there £3) represent grass roots Labour. And they certainly don't represent the vast majority of the 6m people who voted Labour. The equivalent would be the Conservatives making the same idiotic membership rule changes and 50k BNP voters/agitators taking over the Party then someone saying "well that's what the tories are really like". You only have to listen to the comments being made by Labour voters on the doorsteps of Oldham to realise that.
Disgruntled Labour voter, perchance?
As I stated explicitly earlier in this thread, I have always and probably always will vote conservative. However as a grown up I can also see that the UK needs a credible opposition party, and that all parties, Conservatives included benefit from a break in office every now and then to refresh. Corbyn ensuring that Labour are unelectable does no one any favours long term.

If you're really lucky you might get to see a much diminished Labour in power in Coalition with Plaid Cymru, the SNP and the Greens. Now wouldn't that be ****ing wonderful for the UK.

richardxjr

7,561 posts

210 months

Thursday 3rd December 2015
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Langweilig said:
On the strength of Hilary Benn' speech, he should be Leader of the Opposition, not Comrade Corbyn.
Thankfully,
Corbyn out post 2020 6/4
Corbyn out 2016 5/2

chris watton

22,477 posts

260 months

Thursday 3rd December 2015
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Timmy40 said:
chris watton said:
Timmy40 said:
chris watton said:
And they call the Tories 'The Nasty Party'. Labour grass roots showing their true colours recently, and it is not at all pretty.

How their tactics aren't deemed illegal is puzzling!
I don't think Corbyns twitter mob/stop the war mob (who IMO largely make up the 200k new members who paid there £3) represent grass roots Labour. And they certainly don't represent the vast majority of the 6m people who voted Labour. The equivalent would be the Conservatives making the same idiotic membership rule changes and 50k BNP voters/agitators taking over the Party then someone saying "well that's what the tories are really like". You only have to listen to the comments being made by Labour voters on the doorsteps of Oldham to realise that.
Disgruntled Labour voter, perchance?
As I stated explicitly earlier in this thread, I have always and probably always will vote conservative. However as a grown up I can also see that the UK needs a credible opposition party, and that all parties, Conservatives included benefit from a break in office every now and then to refresh. Corbyn ensuring that Labour are unelectable does no one any favours long term.

If you're really lucky you might get to see a much diminished Labour in power in Coalition with Plaid Cymru, the SNP and the Greens. Now wouldn't that be ****ing wonderful for the UK.
Have to disagree, after living through two Labour victories in my lifetime (although I was very young in the '70's, I do remember the lights going out and refuse in the streets).

Again, the last labour administration left this country in a very bad state - I would personally like to see Labour never get into office again - and I am no Cameron fan.

Cobnapint

8,625 posts

151 months

Thursday 3rd December 2015
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Zod said:
I was impressed by Benn. It takes more to make a leader worthy of becoming PM, but that speech was good.
One of the best speeches made by a Labour MP for bloody years. Made Corbyn squirm, Burnham look like a little schoolboy, and the Tory's loved him.

drivin_me_nuts

17,949 posts

211 months

Thursday 3rd December 2015
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Timmy40 said:
chris watton said:
Timmy40 said:
chris watton said:
And they call the Tories 'The Nasty Party'. Labour grass roots showing their true colours recently, and it is not at all pretty.

How their tactics aren't deemed illegal is puzzling!
I don't think Corbyns twitter mob/stop the war mob (who IMO largely make up the 200k new members who paid there £3) represent grass roots Labour. And they certainly don't represent the vast majority of the 6m people who voted Labour. The equivalent would be the Conservatives making the same idiotic membership rule changes and 50k BNP voters/agitators taking over the Party then someone saying "well that's what the tories are really like". You only have to listen to the comments being made by Labour voters on the doorsteps of Oldham to realise that.
Disgruntled Labour voter, perchance?
As I stated explicitly earlier in this thread, I have always and probably always will vote conservative. However as a grown up I can also see that the UK needs a credible opposition party, and that all parties, Conservatives included benefit from a break in office every now and then to refresh. Corbyn ensuring that Labour are unelectable does no one any favours long term.

If you're really lucky you might get to see a much diminished Labour in power in Coalition with Plaid Cymru, the SNP and the Greens. Now wouldn't that be ****ing wonderful for the UK.
We'll have a green war where we use an underarm throw to gently toss wild Alf-alfa seedlings at the enemy in the hope that in twenty years, nature will slow down their progress, whilst allowing them to take the oil revenues, grow rich, spread more, but still allow them to cry 'freedom' from the small mountain of severed unbeliever heads.

Timmy40

12,915 posts

198 months

Thursday 3rd December 2015
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chris watton said:
Timmy40 said:
chris watton said:
Timmy40 said:
chris watton said:
And they call the Tories 'The Nasty Party'. Labour grass roots showing their true colours recently, and it is not at all pretty.

How their tactics aren't deemed illegal is puzzling!
I don't think Corbyns twitter mob/stop the war mob (who IMO largely make up the 200k new members who paid there £3) represent grass roots Labour. And they certainly don't represent the vast majority of the 6m people who voted Labour. The equivalent would be the Conservatives making the same idiotic membership rule changes and 50k BNP voters/agitators taking over the Party then someone saying "well that's what the tories are really like". You only have to listen to the comments being made by Labour voters on the doorsteps of Oldham to realise that.
Disgruntled Labour voter, perchance?
As I stated explicitly earlier in this thread, I have always and probably always will vote conservative. However as a grown up I can also see that the UK needs a credible opposition party, and that all parties, Conservatives included benefit from a break in office every now and then to refresh. Corbyn ensuring that Labour are unelectable does no one any favours long term.

If you're really lucky you might get to see a much diminished Labour in power in Coalition with Plaid Cymru, the SNP and the Greens. Now wouldn't that be ****ing wonderful for the UK.
Have to disagree, after living through two Labour victories in my lifetime (although I was very young in the '70's, I do remember the lights going out and refuse in the streets).

Again, the last labour administration left this country in a very bad state - I would personally like to see Labour never get into office again - and I am no Cameron fan.
If you think what New Labour did was bad you've seen nothing compared to what a proper Left wing Labour Government in coalition with the SNP and Greens would do. As for never having any other Government than the Conservatives by Majors time the Cons desperately needed a break from office, they were as a party worn out.

turbobloke

103,863 posts

260 months

Thursday 3rd December 2015
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Timmy40 said:
chris watton said:
Timmy40 said:
chris watton said:
Timmy40 said:
chris watton said:
And they call the Tories 'The Nasty Party'. Labour grass roots showing their true colours recently, and it is not at all pretty.

How their tactics aren't deemed illegal is puzzling!
I don't think Corbyns twitter mob/stop the war mob (who IMO largely make up the 200k new members who paid there £3) represent grass roots Labour. And they certainly don't represent the vast majority of the 6m people who voted Labour. The equivalent would be the Conservatives making the same idiotic membership rule changes and 50k BNP voters/agitators taking over the Party then someone saying "well that's what the tories are really like". You only have to listen to the comments being made by Labour voters on the doorsteps of Oldham to realise that.
Disgruntled Labour voter, perchance?
As I stated explicitly earlier in this thread, I have always and probably always will vote conservative. However as a grown up I can also see that the UK needs a credible opposition party, and that all parties, Conservatives included benefit from a break in office every now and then to refresh. Corbyn ensuring that Labour are unelectable does no one any favours long term.

If you're really lucky you might get to see a much diminished Labour in power in Coalition with Plaid Cymru, the SNP and the Greens. Now wouldn't that be ****ing wonderful for the UK.
Have to disagree, after living through two Labour victories in my lifetime (although I was very young in the '70's, I do remember the lights going out and refuse in the streets).

Again, the last labour administration left this country in a very bad state - I would personally like to see Labour never get into office again - and I am no Cameron fan.
If you think what New Labour did was bad you've seen nothing compared to what a proper Left wing Labour Government in coalition with the SNP and Greens would do. As for never having any other Government than the Conservatives by Majors time the Cons desperately needed a break from office, they were as a party worn out.
Sure but chris watton makes a compelling case for keeping Labour out as long as possible. If absolutely necessary, one Labour term every 20 years so that's 14 to go.

It ought not to be necessary to refresh out of office, here's hoping.

irocfan

40,379 posts

190 months

Thursday 3rd December 2015
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Timmy40 said:
If you think what New Labour did was bad you've seen nothing compared to what a proper Left wing Labour Government in coalition with the SNP and Greens would do. As for never having any other Government than the Conservatives by Majors time the Cons desperately needed a break from office, they were as a party worn out.
truth be told though there is no reason why this must be the case. As long as proper succession is factored in and nepotism is reduced as much as possible a one party state does have some quite significant advantages over one that changes direction every few years

williamp

19,248 posts

273 months

Thursday 3rd December 2015
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Mr_B said:
After Benn's speech and weeks of gaffs from McDonnell and Corbyn, plus a probably weak hold of tonight's by-election, I think move will be made next week to ensure he is ditched and Labour still have a good 4 years to stand at least some hope in 2020.
If labour lose tonight, will this week be worse, or on a par with last week??

V8 Fettler

7,019 posts

132 months

Thursday 3rd December 2015
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Corbyn doesn't appear to have any man management skills.

anonymous-user

54 months

Thursday 3rd December 2015
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williamp said:
If labour lose tonight, will this week be worse, or on a par with last week??
If they win, Oldham should just be nuked anyway. I will lose most my family but I think we can all agree it would still be for the greater good.

Timmy40

12,915 posts

198 months

Thursday 3rd December 2015
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V8 Fettler said:
Corbyn doesn't appear to have any man management skills.
He's probably busily reading a copy of the 'Rules of Work' as we speak.

Stickyfinger

8,429 posts

105 months

Thursday 3rd December 2015
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V8 Fettler said:
Corbyn doesn't appear to have any _party comrade engagement coordinator_ skills.
FTFU

Timmy40

12,915 posts

198 months

Thursday 3rd December 2015
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williamp said:
Mr_B said:
After Benn's speech and weeks of gaffs from McDonnell and Corbyn, plus a probably weak hold of tonight's by-election, I think move will be made next week to ensure he is ditched and Labour still have a good 4 years to stand at least some hope in 2020.
If labour lose tonight, will this week be worse, or on a par with last week??
The best thing that can happen for Labour tonight it to lose Oldham ( the voters can always put Labour back in come 2020 ), whether or not the Labour voters actually have the sense to realise that is another matter....

turbobloke

103,863 posts

260 months

Thursday 3rd December 2015
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Timmy40 said:
williamp said:
Mr_B said:
After Benn's speech and weeks of gaffs from McDonnell and Corbyn, plus a probably weak hold of tonight's by-election, I think move will be made next week to ensure he is ditched and Labour still have a good 4 years to stand at least some hope in 2020.
If labour lose tonight, will this week be worse, or on a par with last week??
The best thing that can happen for Labour tonight it to lose Oldham ( the voters can always put Labour back in come 2020 ), whether or not the Labour voters actually have the sense to realise that is another matter....
In which case with luck they will cling on to the seat and Corbyn can claim to be vindicated for his unpopular but 'principled' position.
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