Discussion
Timmy40 said:
The best thing that can happen for Labour tonight it to lose Oldham ( the voters can always put Labour back in come 2020 ), whether or not the Labour voters actually have the sense to realise that is another matter....
If the labour luvvies stay at home and the Conservatives turn out for UKIP it would we a crushing and possibly fatal blow to jezza and Diane.Digga said:
turbobloke said:
The Don of Croy said:
Norm Robinson on R4 this morning says Stella Creasy had protestors outside her house, as well as the more familiar Twitter abuse.
That would be the tolerant Left at work.
Cobnapint said:
Zod said:
I was impressed by Benn. It takes more to make a leader worthy of becoming PM, but that speech was good.
One of the best speeches made by a Labour MP for bloody years. Made Corbyn squirm, Burnham look like a little schoolboy, and the Tory's loved him.
Alex Salmond missing the wider context: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3344287/Hi...
In summary, with reference to Hilary's late father Tony, Eck said,
“Birling in your grave’ is a well-known Scottish idiom, which means a deceased person would be enormously surprised by the current turn of events. I think it is a fair comment that Tony Benn would have been astonished to hear his son make a pro-war speech in favour of a Tory Prime Minister’s war plans."
Really? Tony did not have the slightest inkling of his son's wider political views?
I'm far from pro-labour, but instead of chasing short-lived meaningless soundbites, I'd like to think Tony might have quietly considered the words of Evelyn Beatrice Hall:
"I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it."
Far opposed to 'Birling in his grave'.
Edited for the sake of joined-up-thinking.
Edited by ellipsis on Thursday 3rd December 19:06
Muncher said:
turbobloke said:
Agreed, it's great news.
I agree, I think that result was probably about the best we could have hoped for!The last thing they want is Hilary Benn taking over.
You have to wonder about the thought processes of half of Oldham's residents though...
hornetrider said:
Cobnapint said:
You have to wonder about the thought processes of half of Oldham's residents though...
Well... in most of the country you can probably stick a red badge or blue badge on a turd and they'd still vote for it.Timmy40 said:
williamp said:
Mr_B said:
After Benn's speech and weeks of gaffs from McDonnell and Corbyn, plus a probably weak hold of tonight's by-election, I think move will be made next week to ensure he is ditched and Labour still have a good 4 years to stand at least some hope in 2020.
If labour lose tonight, will this week be worse, or on a par with last week??Ken Livingstone trying to defend the smear tactics against the 'NO' voting Labour MP's:
“You had Tory central office people wandering round the newspapers back when I was leader of the GLC, saying I’d been sodomised by six men in succession at a gay orgy.”
Incredible that hes trying to defend it, but the GLC was abolished in 1986 as a result of his leadership and high spending/political/abhorrent views. It was bankrupt under his leadership. He also met Gerry Adams who at the time was banned from entering the UK due to membership of a terrorist organisation.
Livingstone is stuck in such a resentful past. The Conservatives want to be in power via policies and politics whereas Corbyn, Livingstone et al seem to want to be in power by being a thorn in the side of the progress and success of the UK.
“You had Tory central office people wandering round the newspapers back when I was leader of the GLC, saying I’d been sodomised by six men in succession at a gay orgy.”
Incredible that hes trying to defend it, but the GLC was abolished in 1986 as a result of his leadership and high spending/political/abhorrent views. It was bankrupt under his leadership. He also met Gerry Adams who at the time was banned from entering the UK due to membership of a terrorist organisation.
Livingstone is stuck in such a resentful past. The Conservatives want to be in power via policies and politics whereas Corbyn, Livingstone et al seem to want to be in power by being a thorn in the side of the progress and success of the UK.
V6Pushfit said:
Are they able to think for themselves, or is it once Labour always Labour?
if you look at some of the die hard labour areas then there is no thought given by the people voting. I have often said that in Liverpool they could put a chimp up and as long as he had a red rosette he would still get elected.hornetrider said:
Well... in most of the country you can probably stick a red badge or blue badge on a turd and they'd still vote for it.
Same where I live. You could put a blue rosette on a pot plant and it would get voted in.And, as a result, we lost an excellent Lib Dem MP who'd served since 1995 and got an absolute t
t of a Mayor voted back in.
johnxjsc1985 said:
if you look at some of the die hard labour areas then there is no thought given by the people voting. I have often said that in Liverpool they could put a chimp up and as long as he had a red rosette he would still get elected.
To be fair you can say that about die hard Tory areas too.BigMon said:
hornetrider said:
Well... in most of the country you can probably stick a red badge or blue badge on a turd and they'd still vote for it.
...You could put a blue rosette on a pot plant and it would get voted in.BigMon said:
And, as a result, we lost an excellent Lib Dem MP who'd served since 1995...
Eh? That's exactly the opposite of my point. Sounds like you're in one of the constituencies which are genuinely contested.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff