Discussion
Halb said:
Good grief. The shadow cabinet doesn't even seem to understand how parliament works!
dav123a said:
The very nature of councils is of course they distribute money , most councils money is spent on older people and children. They have complex needs not much money to be made there.
I'd argue there could be plenty. The more complex the needs the more complex the solution and the more you can charge for it. With most of the wealth in the UK sitting with the over 55s only a council wouldn't want some of it. Think of the various commercial industries making money from the same group, care homes, disability aids, personal care, meals etc etc.If councils budgets are being cut they have two choices. Make cuts or increase revenue. That most are cutting away and blaming others just demonstrates to me how unsuited they are for the office.
dav123a said:
Councils supply alot of help to those that can't afford to pay private companies for that support. If councils up the rates then alot couldn't afford to pay. Then what do they do ?
I'm not talking about charging for something they currently do for 'free'. I'm talking about enhanced services they could provide but don't.Or by raising money in other ways like advertising or sponsorship. There's lots of things they could do if they could just wean themselves off the magic money teat long enough to think about it.
dav123a said:
Exactly my point you still need the plumber to fix it.
My point being that the plumber who installed it isn't much good- even though I'm not a plumber I can recognise poor workmanship & want to find somebody better. I sure as hell don't want the same incompetent as I've had.technodup said:
'm not talking about charging for something they currently do for 'free'. I'm talking about enhanced services they could provide but don't.
Or by raising money in other ways like advertising or sponsorship. There's lots of things they could do if they could just wean themselves off the magic money teat long enough to think about it.
Enhanced services like what. There's no magic money , you imply councils aren't aware of the contry s financial situation. Certainly when I worked for a council and budget talks came up it was crystal clear. Ever met anyone that worked for a council that thought there was a magic money test ? Or just a straw man ?Or by raising money in other ways like advertising or sponsorship. There's lots of things they could do if they could just wean themselves off the magic money teat long enough to think about it.
dav123a said:
technodup said:
'm not talking about charging for something they currently do for 'free'. I'm talking about enhanced services they could provide but don't.
Or by raising money in other ways like advertising or sponsorship. There's lots of things they could do if they could just wean themselves off the magic money teat long enough to think about it.
Enhanced services like what. There's no magic money , you imply councils aren't aware of the contry s financial situation. Certainly when I worked for a council and budget talks came up it was crystal clear. Ever met anyone that worked for a council that thought there was a magic money test ? Or just a straw man ?Or by raising money in other ways like advertising or sponsorship. There's lots of things they could do if they could just wean themselves off the magic money teat long enough to think about it.
e.g Get local companies to put their advertising hoardings on roundabouts or central reservations. Send the rent for that to the Council. Get the derelict council owned land leased to property developers for favourable rates (so they will take it on) gets you another income stream etc etc
Edited by Rich_W on Sunday 7th February 20:36
Rich_W said:
I suspect that's technodup point! They just wither say "We've loads of money lets piss it away" or "theres no money we're doomed" There's no alternative for them
e.g Get local companies to put their advertising hoardings on roundabouts or central reservations. Send the rent for that to the Council. Get the derelict council owned land leased to property developers for favourable rates (so they will take it on) gets you another income stream etc etc
Some already do this certainly round where I live , TBH I thought advertising on roundabouts had been done for years certainly before the cuts started. While it would go into the pot if you're looking at 10s of millions to be saved you are still looking at cutting services. e.g Get local companies to put their advertising hoardings on roundabouts or central reservations. Send the rent for that to the Council. Get the derelict council owned land leased to property developers for favourable rates (so they will take it on) gets you another income stream etc etc
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