Discussion
Garvin said:
It can only be a matter of time now, can it not, before the paymasters i.e. the unions, step in to insist that this charade is halted otherwise they, their members and a lot of other grass roots left of centre thinkers will effectively be disenfranchised for a generation at least?
It might be that the unions are sufficiently self-brainwashed that they believe it's the PLP who are out of touch and Corbyn in-touch with the electorate.Garvin said:
I am now of the firm opinion that JC doesn't care in the slightest about being electable, does not want the Labour Party to form a government or want to be PM. He quite likes being the leader of a club of like minded individuals and if the PLP inexorably reduces to a tiny gathering of MPs and becomes a small club of lefties that he is in charge of that can lob the occasional (ineffective) brick at the government of the day from the side lines then that suits him down to the ground.
It can only be a matter of time now, can it not, before the paymasters i.e. the unions, step in to insist that this charade is halted otherwise they, their members and a lot of other grass roots left of centre thinkers will effectively be disenfranchised for a generation at least?
Comrade Corbyn is an old school militant and happy to watch the whole world burn to prove he is right, a fossil who belongs in the 70's at a BL strike It can only be a matter of time now, can it not, before the paymasters i.e. the unions, step in to insist that this charade is halted otherwise they, their members and a lot of other grass roots left of centre thinkers will effectively be disenfranchised for a generation at least?
janesmith1950 said:
It's up to the membership if it chooses a leader based on principle over electability.
This was my thought, I don't know enough about the guy to comment on his suitability, only what the papers say.But if the majority of Labour Party members want him as their leader then that's what they should get.
If the past week has taught us anything, it's that voters get the outcome they deserve....
My problem with him (speaking as a middle-income, middle-class, lifelong Conservative-with a-small-C voter who is willing to be be persuaded to vote Labour) is his completely inappropriate image.
I said at the time he was elected, and stand by it now - his Geography Teacher at a Real Ale Festival schtick has zero gravitas and he does not possess the statesmanlike qualities that I expect of a PM, so could never vote for him.
Loads of lefties were defending him with the 'image doesn't matter' line on his Facebook page last night - utter b
ks. I know politics should be about policies and not image and soundbites, but I inhabit the real world where that is not the case, image matters. Phoney Bliar might have been a warmongering scumbag, but he knows how to wear a decent suit, play the media, get his message heard. Corbyn comes across as a bumbling oaf, despite my belief that he's a thoroughly decent human being. He should have been shouting the Remain message with every last breath in his lungs, but all I saw was a mealy mouthed non-commital "7/10 to remain" quote on a TV panel show. Completely unelectable in my opinion.
I said at the time he was elected, and stand by it now - his Geography Teacher at a Real Ale Festival schtick has zero gravitas and he does not possess the statesmanlike qualities that I expect of a PM, so could never vote for him.
Loads of lefties were defending him with the 'image doesn't matter' line on his Facebook page last night - utter b
ks. I know politics should be about policies and not image and soundbites, but I inhabit the real world where that is not the case, image matters. Phoney Bliar might have been a warmongering scumbag, but he knows how to wear a decent suit, play the media, get his message heard. Corbyn comes across as a bumbling oaf, despite my belief that he's a thoroughly decent human being. He should have been shouting the Remain message with every last breath in his lungs, but all I saw was a mealy mouthed non-commital "7/10 to remain" quote on a TV panel show. Completely unelectable in my opinion.DJFish said:
This was my thought, I don't know enough about the guy to comment on his suitability, only what the papers say.
But if the majority of Labour Party members want him as their leader then that's what they should get.
If the past week has taught us anything, it's that voters get the outcome they deserve....
9.5 million people voted for Labour in 2015 250,000 voted for Corbyn. I wonder how many will vote Labout next time if Corbyn is still leader.But if the majority of Labour Party members want him as their leader then that's what they should get.
If the past week has taught us anything, it's that voters get the outcome they deserve....
Dave Hedgehog said:
Garvin said:
I am now of the firm opinion that JC doesn't care in the slightest about being electable, does not want the Labour Party to form a government or want to be PM. He quite likes being the leader of a club of like minded individuals and if the PLP inexorably reduces to a tiny gathering of MPs and becomes a small club of lefties that he is in charge of that can lob the occasional (ineffective) brick at the government of the day from the side lines then that suits him down to the ground.
It can only be a matter of time now, can it not, before the paymasters i.e. the unions, step in to insist that this charade is halted otherwise they, their members and a lot of other grass roots left of centre thinkers will effectively be disenfranchised for a generation at least?
Comrade Corbyn is an old school militant and happy to watch the whole world burn to prove he is right, a fossil who belongs in the 70's at a BL strike It can only be a matter of time now, can it not, before the paymasters i.e. the unions, step in to insist that this charade is halted otherwise they, their members and a lot of other grass roots left of centre thinkers will effectively be disenfranchised for a generation at least?
johnxjsc1985 said:
9.5 million people voted for Labour in 2015 250,000 voted for Corbyn. I wonder how many will vote Labout next time if Corbyn is still leader.
There was roughly no change in the rerun of the 2012 locals this year.http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/01/lo...
janesmith1950 said:
Garvin said:
It can only be a matter of time now, can it not, before the paymasters i.e. the unions, step in to insist that this charade is halted otherwise they, their members and a lot of other grass roots left of centre thinkers will effectively be disenfranchised for a generation at least?
It might be that the unions are sufficiently self-brainwashed that they believe it's the PLP who are out of touch and Corbyn in-touch with the electorate.The £3 votes garnered huge support and publicity for Corbyn, resulting in what I imagine were a huge number of party members feeling pressured into voting for him as a result. With all the publicity of the "overwhelming" membership increase as a result of Corbyn running as leader, could the Labour Party really chose anyone else?!
I'm absolutely of the belief that without the £3 voters, Corbyn would have remained on the back-benches where he belonged.
I'm absolutely of the belief that without the £3 voters, Corbyn would have remained on the back-benches where he belonged.
P5BNij said:
It's slightly bizarre, farcical even - my union (ASLEF) have courted Corbyn as the 'new messiah' since day one but on the quiet have let the membership know that it sided with the leave campaign.
Is it so bizarre, considering Corbyn didn't seem too upset at the result of the referendum?janesmith1950 said:
P5BNij said:
It's slightly bizarre, farcical even - my union (ASLEF) have courted Corbyn as the 'new messiah' since day one but on the quiet have let the membership know that it sided with the leave campaign.
Is it so bizarre, considering Corbyn didn't seem too upset at the result of the referendum?Could we really be witnessing the implosion of the PLP? This must be a lot worse than its position in the early '80's with Michael Foot as leader!
In the wake of this referendum, I am not sure they will ever have the guaranteed support from their natural Labour voters, who they have marginalised and talked down to for far too long.
Whatever happens, it is certainly going to be an uphill struggle to claw any credibility back, even within its assumed support base.
In the wake of this referendum, I am not sure they will ever have the guaranteed support from their natural Labour voters, who they have marginalised and talked down to for far too long.
Whatever happens, it is certainly going to be an uphill struggle to claw any credibility back, even within its assumed support base.
tim0409 said:
I'm currently watching Emily Thornberry on the Daily Politics; it's difficult to imagine a more smug, loathsome, deluded individual, but I suppose there is Diane Abbott....
I think that she encapsulates all that's wrong with the modern Labour Party, and is one of the reason they are haemorrhaging support.Labour benches filling up a lot quicker than the governments !
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/live/bbcparliament
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/live/bbcparliament
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