Jeremy Corbyn

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Halb

53,012 posts

182 months

Wednesday 29th June 2016
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par-lay?

drivin_me_nuts

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210 months

Wednesday 29th June 2016
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Would it take the SNP becoming the opposition for that to happen. Now that would be funny, and tragic. Will he fall on his sword... no doubt assisted by many.

Guybrush

4,328 posts

205 months

Wednesday 29th June 2016
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Many people seem to be fooled by his apparent 'human' / 'man of the people' / 'ordinary guy' persona. Don't be fooled, his politics are of a pretty nasty flavour and would drag the UK back to the disaster of the 70s. We really would be in trouble. The far left are always lurking within the Labour party, just waiting to bubble to the surface.

K12beano

20,854 posts

274 months

Wednesday 29th June 2016
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drivin_me_nuts said:
Would it take the SNP becoming the opposition for that to happen. Now that would be funny, and tragic. Will he fall on his sword... no doubt assisted by many.
it certainly seems to me (sitting in London) that the only leadership out there (govt OR opposition) is Nicola FishFace at the moment ..... The rest is all just rudderless.



johnxjsc1985

15,948 posts

163 months

Wednesday 29th June 2016
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drivin_me_nuts said:
Would it take the SNP becoming the opposition for that to happen. Now that would be funny, and tragic. Will he fall on his sword... no doubt assisted by many.
If he did decide to fall on his sword I fear he might just miss it.

anonymous-user

53 months

Wednesday 29th June 2016
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Cameron telling Corbyn to resign was canny. Makes it even less likely Corbyn will resign. And so more likely the party will split.

Ganglandboss

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202 months

Wednesday 29th June 2016
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Puggit said:
lee_fr200 said:
I'm not big on politics so please forgive me

Won't he have to stand down with a vote of no confidence or can he ignore it and carry on? Can they just elect someone else as leader

And what are pplh current view of him
The vote of no confidence was from Labour MPs. It's the Labour Party which votes for the leader, not the MPs. So it was 'advisory' - much like our in/out referendum.
To add to the above, to boot Corbyn, there needs to be a leadership challenge; to be nominated, a candidate needs the backing of 20% of MPs and MEPs (15% if the position is vacant). The magic number at the moment is 51 MPs/MEPs to trigger a leadership contest.

There is a question as to what will happen to Corbyn should this happen; there is currently a legal debate as to whether Corbyn's name is automatically added to the ballot sheet, or whether he would need to gain nominations from MPs.

If he is automatically added to the ballot, there is a strong chance he could remain as leader, as he is still popular with the grass roots. If he does require nominations, he will struggle to get onto the ballot form if he only had the support of 40 MPs in the recent vote of no confidence.


Halb

53,012 posts

182 months

Wednesday 29th June 2016
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johnxjsc1985 said:
you mean back to a credible opposition. If he remains Labour will be wiped out in the next election.
Back to faceless automatons.

tarnished

13,599 posts

95 months

Wednesday 29th June 2016
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Puggit said:
CMD said:
For heaven's sake, man, go!
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Ouch.

Quite how Corbyn will survive this atmosphere I don't know, he doesn't seem like someone who'd handle the stress well. Doesn't seem keen on taking the easy way out yet though.

PurpleMoonlight

22,362 posts

156 months

Wednesday 29th June 2016
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Puggit said:
The vote of no confidence was from Labour MPs. It's the Labour Party which votes for the leader, not the MPs. So it was 'advisory' - much like our in/out referendum.
You are missing the relevance.

If he has no support from his MP's he cannot form a shadow cabinet and he cannot be an effective and functioning opposition.

He is a dead man walking.

Halb

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182 months

Wednesday 29th June 2016
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tarnished said:
Ouch.

Quite how Corbyn will survive this atmosphere I don't know, he doesn't seem like someone who'd handle the stress well. Doesn't seem keen on taking the easy way out yet though.
Pills or wrists?

irocfan

40,152 posts

189 months

Wednesday 29th June 2016
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drivin_me_nuts said:
Would it take the SNP becoming the opposition for that to happen. Now that would be funny, and tragic. Will he fall on his sword... no doubt assisted by many.
would/could the dissenters in PLP join with the SNP to form a new political party? Socialism UK or some-such?

HoHoHo

14,979 posts

249 months

Wednesday 29th June 2016
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PurpleMoonlight said:
You are missing the relevance.

If he has no support from his MP's he cannot form a shadow cabinet and he cannot be an effective and functioning opposition.

He is a dead man walking.
But he has formed a shadow cabinet (albeit made up of people we've never heard of) but the fact is he has.

It's up to the labour members to vote for a new leader but I'm not sure if there's a clause in the Labour rule book to get rid of a leader if he doesn't want to go?

anonymous-user

53 months

Wednesday 29th June 2016
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PurpleMoonlight said:
Puggit said:
The vote of no confidence was from Labour MPs. It's the Labour Party which votes for the leader, not the MPs. So it was 'advisory' - much like our in/out referendum.
You are missing the relevance.

If he has no support from his MP's he cannot form a shadow cabinet and he cannot be an effective and functioning opposition.

He is a dead man walking.
He stays because he still enjoys huge support from students and the unions. Like Ed Miliband and Gordon Brown before him (look how well they did), it seems grass roots and union funded labour would rather be in opposition with these unelectable leaders than getting someone a bit more Blairite or centrist.

Obviously the parliamentary Labour Party want rid of him ASAP. There are a number of labour candidates who could be strong contenders in a general election, I'm amazed Corbyn still remains in charge.

K12beano

20,854 posts

274 months

Wednesday 29th June 2016
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irocfan said:
drivin_me_nuts said:
Would it take the SNP becoming the opposition for that to happen. Now that would be funny, and tragic. Will he fall on his sword... no doubt assisted by many.
would/could the dissenters in PLP join with the SNP to form a new political party? Socialism UK or some-such?
"United Kingdom Integrated Party" maybe....?.....

PurpleMoonlight

22,362 posts

156 months

Wednesday 29th June 2016
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HoHoHo said:
But he has formed a shadow cabinet (albeit made up of people we've never heard of) but the fact is he has.

It's up to the labour members to vote for a new leader but I'm not sure if there's a clause in the Labour rule book to get rid of a leader if he doesn't want to go?
Aren't half the positions currently vacant?

Eric Mc

121,763 posts

264 months

Wednesday 29th June 2016
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Halb said:
Back to faceless automatons.
So what. Does Labour ever want to hold power again?

That's the issue that is staring them in the face.

HoHoHo

14,979 posts

249 months

Wednesday 29th June 2016
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PurpleMoonlight said:
HoHoHo said:
But he has formed a shadow cabinet (albeit made up of people we've never heard of) but the fact is he has.

It's up to the labour members to vote for a new leader but I'm not sure if there's a clause in the Labour rule book to get rid of a leader if he doesn't want to go?
Aren't half the positions currently vacant?
I can't find an exact answer if I'm honest, but he's appointing everyone including the toilet cleaner currently wink

Halb

53,012 posts

182 months

Wednesday 29th June 2016
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Eric Mc said:
So what. Does Labour ever want to hold power again?

That's the issue that is staring them in the face.
It's not a binary world.

Halb

53,012 posts

182 months

Wednesday 29th June 2016
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K12beano said:
United Kingdom Integrated Party" maybe....?.....
UKWP
UK Weasel party?
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