Jeremy Corbyn

[VolvoT5]

andy-xr said:

I like that, thanks for posting it

er ok... not sure if serious meme is required.

[berty37]

DJFish said:

berty37 said:

...why did seemingly the core old traditional Labour voter... go with leave?

I may be deluded but I'd hope they voted on the issues surrounding whether the UK should stay in or leave the EU.

If they voted due to party politics, because one MP told them to vote one way or the other and they like/don't like them, or because red or blue were their favourite colour, well then they're idiots who didn't deserve the vote in the first place and want reaming out with a conifer.

This whole BREXIT thing was bigger and much more far reaching than any grasping politician's bloody career.
I suspect that there are people out there who would be found at the foot of Beach Head if CMD was at the top telling them not to jump.

Edited by DJFish on Wednesday 29th June 16:02

You are not deluded in the slightest but you cant argue that a lot of voters would of been swayed by messages from certain political figures that stood out in the campaign - and Corbyn didnt. Even Alan Johnson said he often found that the message coming from central HQ was not of 100% support and confused. I am simply tying up that if Corbyn is of hard left standing and people who are aligned to that political persuasion were convinced, he may of got more of the people on his side than seemingly Farage did who said he set out to target old labour voters in the North.

[rovermorris999]

I think this article is on the money

http://capx.co/entryism-via-jeremy-corbyn-stage-ha...

[berty37]

rovermorris999 said:

I think this article is on the money

http://capx.co/entryism-via-jeremy-corbyn-stage-ha...

Superb. Thanks for posting.

[andy-xr]

VolvoT5 said:

andy-xr said:

I like that, thanks for posting it

er ok... not sure if serious meme is required.

I appreciated you posting it, interesting thoughts. I didnt agree with a lot of it, but took on your points

[FunkyNige]

DJFish said:

I suspect that there are people out there who would be found at the foot of Beach Head if CMD was at the top telling them not to jump.

I spoke to several people who said they wanted to vote Remain but couldn't bring themselves to agree with Cameron. I tried explaining that current politicians were irrelevant to the vote and the effects of Brexit (or not) would only truly be felt in 10+ years time but they just saw Remain=Cameron.

[hidetheelephants]

The Don of Croy said:

Pat Glass (no, me neither) has also resigned.

At what stage does someone nominate Stephen Kinnock as the inevitable saviour (D Miliband being otherwise engaged)?

Her claim to fame is being recorded slagging some of the lumpen proletariat off as racists while canvassing for the referendum and that she'd never go back to wherever it was, not unlike Brown and that old lady or Thornberry and the white van tweet. Snobby idiot.

Impressive that she managed to last a whopping 3 days in the shadow cabinet before chucking the towel in, Corbyn is obviously losing it.

Sway said:

Knowing a few Momentum activists, they don't care about parliamentary power - that's been 'subverted by the capitalist media and right wing'. They're focused on revolution. Genuinely planning and working on achieving a people's revolt and coup...

So yes, they are aiming for power and control. Just not using the structures in place for centuries.

At risk of sounding like I've got a tinfoil hat on, does stuff like that not attract the attention of law guardians?

[Halb]

Sway said:

hey're focused on revolution. Genuinely planning and working on achieving a people's revolt and coup...

So yes, they are aiming for power and control. Just not using the structures in place for centuries.

How? A bloodless coup?

[Halb]

janesmith1950 said:

Playing devil's advocate, you might argue that the arrogance is with the resigning MPs who want to ignore the wishes of the majority of their members by pushing Labour to be 'too' centrist.

Corbyn's argument is powerful, in that he is the one sat with a mandate from Labour supporters.

Pretty much, it's a bit rich from the MPs, they are turning things a tad upside down. But that is not surprising when you look at their leaders.

There's only one way to settle this, as Harry Hill would say.

[Ganglandboss]

A mate of mine is a big Corbyn supporter. He has been a member of the Labour Party for years and is now a councillor. He is always popping up on my Facebook feed, either with some graphic shared from '30th Anniversary of the Miners' Strike', an article from the Mirror, or tagged in a group photograph not dissimilar to that one of the Lib Dems that often pops up on PistonHeads.

Shortly after I had heard about the vote of no confidence started by Margret Hodge and Ann Coffey, he posted something on Facebook attacking them.

I saw the other night in the pub, and the vote of no confidence was mentioned. As he began slagging off Hodge and Coffey, I suddenly remembered that she was his MP. I have seen many photos of them together - him campaigning with her in her general election campaign, her with him in his local council campaign, and together in the EU remain campaign.

I asked if she was off his Christmas card list, and he joked, "She's not just off my Christmas card list - I'm going to get the f**king b*tch deselected!". The conversation then turned to Corbyn himself. As expected, he still supported Corbyn, but what surprised me was his answer when somebody asked whether Labour could win a general election with Corbyn in charge. His response was "He's definitely not Prime Minister material". When I asked what the point of him being leader was, he didn't answer.

I don't think Corbyn or his followers have the foggiest idea what they would do if he ever got into power. They would probably be devastated as they would no longer have any excuse to whinge on Facebook or vandalise war memorials.

[Sway]

Halb said:

Sway said:

hey're focused on revolution. Genuinely planning and working on achieving a people's revolt and coup...

So yes, they are aiming for power and control. Just not using the structures in place for centuries.

How? A bloodless coup?

I don't think they've figured that one out yet!

My (very limited, I'm a hated Tory) understanding is mass industrial action/protests/etc. until the people realise that the Government cannot be trusted, then the people will rise up, yadda yadda...

I doubt they're on the Security Services priority list, as it's the same ste they've been spouting in 'collectivist' meetings since they failed in the 70s.

For reference, my 'friend' is in her early 30s, and her worldview has been shaped almost entirely by her Corbyn-like father - her mother is hugely successful and is effectively estranged whilst living it up in HK. I'm not sure how bothered she is about that, I know the other daughter thinks both sister and father are fking mental...

[Derek Smith]

Corbyn is traditional labour. Everything else in politics is neo-liberal. His appeal is to those who see an alternative to the current capitalist set-up.

I was a young socialist in the 60s and his type of rhetoric was common. The article linked to, from a correspondent of the Murdoch media empire, is rather bitter and contradicts my experience of those who seek the alternative.

They had lived through years of recession, brought about by the government after the first world war. They were the ones who had been heroes, including those who were not front line fighters. They were the ones who had experienced years and years of hardship, oddly enough being better fed during the years of rationing than between the wars.

They wanted a different life, and end to class distinction. They wanted an end to dog eat dog and the devil takes the poor sod who didn't stand much chance because of poor education. The most remarkable thing about them, especially in comparison to the young conservatives (I was a member of them as well), is that they were not after what would benefit them so much as what they thought would benefit the masses.

What killed labour was free education and closing of the gap between the rich and the poor. The end of labour was Blair. Now we have a situation where the gap between rich and poor is wider than it has been for years. Milliband, or Corbyn lite, was put in place by those who are traditional labour voter types.

Corbyn was democratically elected. Everyone had a vote, if they wanted to. Suddenly the people had a vote as to who would lead them. There will be no such democracy with the tory leadership election of course.

All the talk of labour returning to its core voters ignores the fact that Corbyn is the epitome of old labour.

[PurpleMoonlight]

Derek Smith said:

All the talk of labour returning to its core voters ignores the fact that Corbyn is the epitome of old labour.

But does old labour have a place in the modern world, and will it appeal to the millions of people they need to vote labour in a general election?

[bitchstewie]

PurpleMoonlight said:

But does old labour have a place in the modern world, and will it appeal to the millions of people they need to vote labour in a general election?

Isn't that for the Labour party members?

I don't like Corbyn or his policies but I've watched with morbid fascination as the parliamentary party seem to have decided that what the Labour party membership want is wrong so needs changing.

Maybe they should start a petition, seems to be the done thing if there's a vote and you don't like the result.

[JagLover]

Derek Smith said:

Corbyn is traditional labour. Everything else in politics is neo-liberal. His appeal is to those who see an alternative to the current capitalist set-up.

I was a young socialist in the 60s and his type of rhetoric was common. The article linked to, from a correspondent of the Murdoch media empire, is rather bitter and contradicts my experience of those who seek the alternative.

Traditional Labour was very different to Communism.

The old argument in the early twentieth century was socialism in one country versus global revolution. Labour was firmly Socialism in one country and Corbyn is as alien to that tradition as Blair was.

[Derek Smith]

PurpleMoonlight said:

Derek Smith said:

All the talk of labour returning to its core voters ignores the fact that Corbyn is the epitome of old labour.

But does old labour have a place in the modern world, and will it appeal to the millions of people they need to vote labour in a general election?

I wasn't promoting labour as a possibility, either old or new.

However, I am open to alternatives to neo-liberalism. My son and a son-in-law work with those excluded and ignored under the current system. They tell me horror stories. But, hey, what does it matter? They probably wouldn't make money for the country anyway.

[poo at Paul's]

Have we mentioned yet how the front of his house makes it look like a squat?

Proper tramps' palace.

[Halb]

Sway said:

I don't think they've figured that one out yet!

My (very limited, I'm a hated Tory) understanding is mass industrial action/protests/etc. until the people realise that the Government cannot be trusted, then the people will rise up, yadda yadda...

I doubt they're on the Security Services priority list, as it's the same ste they've been spouting in 'collectivist' meetings since they failed in the 70s.

For reference, my 'friend' is in her early 30s, and her worldview has been shaped almost entirely by her Corbyn-like father - her mother is hugely successful and is effectively estranged whilst living it up in HK. I'm not sure how bothered she is about that, I know the other daughter thinks both sister and father are fking mental...

Yeah but is she fit?

[ThunderGuts]

poo at Paul's said:

Have we mentioned yet how the front of his house makes it look like a squat?

Proper tramps' palace.

But that's how he rolls, live in a squat and have 7 figures :P

O/T a friend was crying on Facebook about how evil CMD and the 'Tory scum' are, I pointed out he was essentially living the Conservative dream (good income, nice house etc etc - far more than he needs). It was like I'd just kicked him in the sponge.

[s2art]

Derek Smith said:

Corbyn is traditional labour. Everything else in politics is neo-liberal. His appeal is to those who see an alternative to the current capitalist set-up.

Isnt it more complex than that? Old Labour were a mixture of socialist models. The hard left looked to Marx, the soft left looked to, for the want of a better term, the Methodist tradition. Friendly/building societies, the Co-op etc.

Corbyn is revolutionary Marxist at his core. Protests and direct action are more his thing. And that bunch of looneys are exactly what the idiot Miliband let in with his £3 membership.