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hidetheelephants said:
ostwar butskellism, it lead a long period of political stability and economic growth, discontent only really emerging when the wheels fell off in the 1970s.
Indeed. It was what I, and many others of my generation, thought was the norm. My extended family, apart from my parents, was very political. Some were members of the communist party, one being in the International Brigade and something of a hero of mine, but none wanted fighting. My father said that he'd grown out of party politics and I've followed on from that. They all seemed quite happy with the status quo, not because they were benefiting from it, but for the opportunities for us kids.What sticks out to me know is that my communist uncle was highly intelligent. His eldest son was a child prodigy, reading newspapers as a toddler and composing music at the age of five, now a multi millionaire. The only person who understood him was his father. The father said to me that I should opt for university. 'They,' he said. 'Won't allow us to compete with them for long.'
So we get Thatcher, supposedly right wing, although not really, and Major, who was centre/right/centre. Then along come Blair, to be replaced by Cameron the pair stopping free university level education.
We all laughed at our daft uncle, brain addled by alcohol. What did he know?
For a laugh: he was first mate on a coastal tramp. In 1940 when boats still tried to make the Pool, they would be attacked by dive bombers in the Channel. His job was to lay on the front deck of the boat and, when the bomber let go the 500 pounder, he'd point in the most advantageous direction to steer. He said that despite the fact that the helmsman hadn't blinked since Portsmouth, he'd continue pointing, and with some energy, until the bomb missed. He was splashed on occasion but the method proved to be most effective.
Derek Smith said:
I thought Corbyn rather ineffectual but he's in position and he's staying, so perhaps I underestimated him.
do not underestimate the determination of a quiet man... 
don4l said:
I never thought that write this post, but here goes.
I actually feel sorry for Corbyn.
I don't usually like lefties, but he has behaved with dignity and honour.
He didn't engage in point scoring in the Commons.
He did not deserve the comments that Cameron made.
When he got in I was hoping it would lead to a more adult logical type of discussing politics in the chamber and flood out, but Cameron managed one QT, and got back to bI actually feel sorry for Corbyn.
I don't usually like lefties, but he has behaved with dignity and honour.
He didn't engage in point scoring in the Commons.
He did not deserve the comments that Cameron made.
ks as normal shortly after, and looking round at how the brexit referendum went, and the response to the result in life, and the type of posts we get on here...I think that dream of adults talking has been put back to bed for a while... 
Back to business as normal soon enough I guess...
Have the Corbynistas locked Dan Jarvis in a stationery cupboard? He's gone very quiet. In the unlikely event that Labour decides it would quite like to be running the country again, he's the man. Hence my concern at his disappearance. I may be a Tory but I can see the value of having a competent Opposition.
230TE said:
Have the Corbynistas locked Dan Jarvis in a stationery cupboard? He's gone very quiet. In the unlikely event that Labour decides it would quite like to be running the country again, he's the man. Hence my concern at his disappearance. I may be a Tory but I can see the value of having a competent Opposition.
More likely Chukka's chucked him under a bus.davepoth said:
Andrea Eagle is a sacrificial lamb IMO. They didn't want anyone good to stand against Corbyn so she's going to run and she's going to be the one who is going to try to destroy him in the eyes of the party. It's going to be horrible, and I don't think it's going to work.
I thought Ed Milliband was the sacrificial lamb whilst they let the Tories take the rap for the depression/triple dip recession/ double dip recerssion/ oh just a recession. Then I thought Corbyn was the sacrificial lamb as the world was still a tough place. Now...
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technodup said:
his is bks that needs called out. He has been anti EU for decades. He is clearly still anti EU. And yet now he is leader he campaigns (albeit half heartedly) for remain.
And why do you think he campaigned for IN? Because the PLP put such huge pressure on him to do so... ironically he was trying to keep the party united and avoid this kind of revolt. One could argue his half-hearted campaign was at least honest - he didn't really like the EU but felt it was best for the country overall. ks that needs called out. He has been anti EU for decades. He is clearly still anti EU. And yet now he is leader he campaigns (albeit half heartedly) for remain. I had Jeremy marked down as a sort of cut-price Tony Benn. Someone who's integrity you could respect even if you didn't agree with his politics.
Jeremy has been openly anti-EU for a long time. He would have served the country, and as it turns out himself, better if he'd stayed true to his own principles.
If he does put himself back up for re-election he should make his stance on the EU absolutely clear.
Now he's finished. I suspect.
Hope (I'm no Labour supporter) he can hang on until July 6 and can slate Bliar at the despatch box on release of the Chilcot report, which is 'said' to savage the Bliar creature (hope so).
Beati Dogu said:
Typical bloody Labour. They take people's hard earned £3 memberships (thanks Ed) and then chuck out their choice 9 months later.
But you get to vote again I believe !Meanwhile in other news:
http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/revealed-labo...
MP's that don't support Corbyn get "death threats" !
Yikes
Happen "our Yvette"(Cooper) can jump on that bandwagon too.
The whole thing cracks me up and annoys me at the same time. They thought after Ed Milliband it would be great to " widen the debate" to "have a conversation" to "broaden the partys appeal" etc by nominating Comrade Corbyn.
What idiots they all look now
Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 30th June 06:35
techiedave said:
But you get to vote again I believe !
Meanwhile in other news:
http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/revealed-labo...
MP's that don't support Corbyn get "death threats" !
Yikes
Happen "our Yvette"(Cooper) can jump on that bandwagon too.
The whole thing cracks me up and annoys me at the same time. They thought after Ed Milliband it would be great to " widen the debate" to "have a conversation" to "broaden the partys appeal" etc by nominating Comrade Corbyn.
What idiots they all look now
Really? You want death threats pointed anyone's way? Ffs.Meanwhile in other news:
http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/revealed-labo...
MP's that don't support Corbyn get "death threats" !
Yikes
Happen "our Yvette"(Cooper) can jump on that bandwagon too.
The whole thing cracks me up and annoys me at the same time. They thought after Ed Milliband it would be great to " widen the debate" to "have a conversation" to "broaden the partys appeal" etc by nominating Comrade Corbyn.
What idiots they all look now
Edited by techiedave on Thursday 30th June 06:35
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